To ask MNHQ for a Private Schools board?

[frankentall]

So all the 2 million threads started each day about the moral rights to private education, the immense sacrifices and the sheer unfairness of everything visited upon the poor lambs who bravely go without food, shelter and transport because they believe in sending their kids to fee-paying school can be moved there and away from everywhere else? Please?

Oh, it’s the same ones over and over. Posting on every thread they can find.

Why not just ignore the threads as it’s obvious what they’re going to be about.

I agree but I wish there were separate boards for competitive under eating and competitive cleaning too.

If they all have only children or only one child in private education then it's just £400 a month on £24k fees. It'll only be a year if your child is going into an exam year, otherwise you can move them anytime.

I’ll post wherever and whenever I want.

The policy is idiotic and regressive. And it needs saying again and again.

Comparable countries don’t tax private education. If anything, they give partial tax refunds/credits.

The economists say it won’t be beneficial.

But it wins votes.

Labour repeatedly trashes education. 60s abolished grammars. 90s removed assisted places and put tuition fees on university. Now in 2024, having not fucked systems hard enough, they’re going to put VAT on private. it absolutely incenses me. And it’s not self interest - I’ll get hit for one year of 6th form, probably not even that as they won’t be able to write this flawed legislation quickly enough.

Please do tell me what the Tory party have done to improve education?

I know they slashed public funding as they "had no money" then found millions to hand out to Michelle Mone in the pandemic.

But I can't see where they have improved education?

Quite! A bit rich (excuse the pun) to claim Labour trashes education when the Tories have done exactly that over the last 14 years. Chronic underfunding and teachers leaving left, right and centre.

I know your point was actually about all the VAT threads…

But have you ever actually looked at the “Secondary Education” board?
With the exception of a flurry of questions about appeals after state offers day, I’d say it’s at least 80% private school related!

Got the dog put down 😂😂😂

Thats properly cheered me up tonight! Thanks

No they shouldn’t be moved to a separate board. They’re about universal topics such as inequality, education, taxes, special educational needs. They’re elucidating and informative, whichever side you’re own. And they’re evidently closely tied to the upcoming election. There’s more debate about education than there is about climate change these days, and we all know which is more critical.

It won't matter if you have your own board for private schools. People will come on to the board to cause trouble anyway. If they are not causing trouble they will be reporting to you to MN to have your threads or posts deleted.

Are you aware that most parents with SEN kids could never manage to send them to private school?

More debate about education than climate change? That’s not surprising given the wealthy live in huge houses, drive big cars and are flying their kids all over the world for schools, now is it?

This sums up exactly what is going on at the moment. The 'doorstoppers" are drowning out any rational discussion. They dont care that tax revenue is being poured into a leaky bucket that is no longer fit for for purpose. They are not interested in what they themselves need to do to help meet problems half way. Their answer to everything is just tax the rich.

This subject will pass soon enough and there are primary, secondary, education and boarding school topics already.

You do not have to read them

@frankentall why do you read them if you find them so annoying?

I am a net contributor, mostly have been.

The tuition fees really pee me off. It wasn't Tories that did that - it was Labour. What has Labour got against education? Student engagement has dropped massively because the combination of cost of living and fees means students are too anxious about finances too concentrate on their studies.

People here in the UK think the education system is rubbish, but don’t see the part they’ve played in this.

My DC went to infant and junior school in Asia. The government there are fully focused on children, their welfare and education. They average 35 kids a class, and they do 2 school shifts a day as there aren’t enough schools. The DC listen, and work hard. Some of them live very basically, but their education is all the same. They are top for maths in the world. The parents understand the value of education. Their kids are disciplined, respectful and hardworking.

Compare that to here where I know people who have DC with hearing issues, and they don’t even get to sit at the front of the class due to more pressing issues. Or my supply teacher friend who refuses to go to certain schools in my area (voted one of nicest places to live in UK) due to violence. Teacher friends who tell me their student’s parents are just not interested.

Also piss poor parenting. One thing I was surprised at when I came back here was how many of you outsource your parenting to your school. A bit like how you’ve all outsourced the responsibility of your health to the NHS. I can’t believe how a lot of you don’t even teach your DC to read, or do basic maths, or use free resources to help your DC with their homework.

I’m not doing the “I send my kids private because I love them more” speech. I know lots of state parents whose DC have done really well, all because their parents paid their education a lot of attention. They gave a shit. One of my friends state DC has just gone to Oxbridge. She read up and educated herself on his interest and tutored him.

Don’t blame our crap education system on fee paying parents. If you aren’t spending a lot of attention on your DC’s education, whether state or private, they won’t do well.

I work with lots of under 23’s from both state and private, some at Uni, and some in 6th Form. They may be good at regurgitating info onto an exam paper, but in general they are lazy, entitled and useless.

Perhaps our schools would be better if we all got our parenting act together.

The silly 'politics of envy' old chestnut wheeled out regularly on these threads makes me raise an eyebrow. I think it's the other way round.

Round here in the suburbs of a big city is the epitome of dreary ordinariness. Ordinary housing, rented and private, ordinary jobs, schools with very mixed demographics with bullying and violence thrown in. Yet many of our very ordinary children have done exceptionally well at the ordinary schools, gone to top universities including Oxbridge and are now in fantastic jobs. Lots of first in the family to go to uni examples.

This is far from rare yet reading these threads would have you believe it's impossible.

So a few families I know who've done the whole 'can't possibly go to that awful school' speech and the scrimp and save and sacrifice thing are now broke and wondering what they've paid for.

That's such an odd take.

Well said 👏

Yeah, it's bringing out quite a unpleasant look into the depths of peoples minds this carry on. What they really think of people they think beneath them on the quiet before.