Green Party pledge to reduce c section rates

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Is this something a political party should even get involved in?

I had understood that a focus on keeping c sections below an arbitrary threshold was at least partially responsible for the Shrewsbury maternity scandal.

https://news.sky.com/story/shrewsbury-maternity-scandal-the-babies-who-died-in-the-uks-worst-hospital-childbirth-scandal-12576727

It looks as though the greens are reviewing the policy now but am I alone in finding this chilling? What does it say about their attitude to women? I really strongly believe that it’s up to the individual woman how she gives birth, and the focus on arbitrary targets is misguided at best and dangerous at worst.

YABU - this is something a political party should have a policy on
YANBU - this is not something a non medical entity should have policy on

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/green-party-nhs-lbc-b1162105.html#

It just shows out of touch they are. Out of ALL the topics that really mean something to voters, they come out peddling this shit that is really saying 'women cannot be trusted with their own bodies'.

Next one will be a free red cloak with every vote

I'm afraid the party has lost the plot with this one- mind you - you can say any old dogmatic idealistic shit when you know you won't have to follow through- see Farage for details-

Sounds like they've been invaded by the 'breathe it all away brigade' - I appreciate 'some' women go for all that and works for them- it should however be an optional individual choice - not medical policy.

What next? Compulsory breast feeding for 18 months?

I agree. But it's an unfortunate consequence of the way politics works. When things go wrong, as they did at the Shrewsbury and Telford Trust, people look to the politicians. So it's not surprising that politicians encroach on areas that shouldn't concern them when ultimately people want to hold them responsible. Any politician who rightly said, "It's not a matter for government" would be accused of all manner of neglect.

The solution is for politicians and voters and the media to agree on the where the boundaries lay. But politicians won't ever do that because everything is the government's fault when you're an opposition MP looking to make trouble.

This is madness and I am shocked it is a policy. Am so fed up of women being seen as something to 'manage' and control like this. It should be something for doctors and patients not politicians. As others have said, so many women died of childbirth (and still do though thankfully much rarer). I would have been one if not for c-sections - I tried twice to deliver but to no avail.

Not going to do much for managing the rapidly declining birthrate either as women will just not want to risk it. I am becoming grimly fascinated by how this is playing out around the world right now in various countries with women choosing to not get married and not have sex and children and the push for commercial surrogacy/child trafficking. I wonder how men/governments are going to respond to that - maybe that's what is behind the anti-abortion laws sweeping the US? Because they care little for the child once born.

The other ludicrous Scottish policy was the bottle return scheme. I pay my council tax which includes recycling for glass etc, under this crackpot scheme I need to take them back to a supermarket to get money back. I get my shopping delivered, I don’t live near to a supermarket. So I would then have to drive out somewhere to return these bottles that in turn then need to be picked up, I assume by a truck. Extra vehicles on the road…why not encourage people to use the right bins that are already picked up by one truck?

Utter crackpots!

So, if the Green Party wanted to address obesity with some sensible policies, then great. But to specifically focus on c sections as a target is to address a symptom not a cause, and to focus overly on women as problematic for society due to selfishly needing or even daring to ask for a c section.

I lean left wing and think climate change is one of the most important issues facing the planet, but this and some of the other Green Party policies are ridiculous.

The green party can fuck right off.

Doctors having pressure to reduce the number of sections led to them refusing my (entirely reasonable) maternal request c section and my baby nearly dying from an entirely foreseeable complication.

Also, without 'politicians' we wouldn't have an NHS, and the current one's in power are wrecking it, so everything health related is political.

Green's equivalent of the Tories' national service idea. A bollocks idea, put up by a advisory group in order to grab the votes of the terminally stupid.

A better idea would be to improve ante-natal care.

C sections are only very much more expensive than a vaginal birth if the vaginal birth is straightforward with no interventions and no resulting care needed.

In addition that doesn't take into account all the birth injuries resulting from vaginal births, both to women and babies, and the cost of treating those injuries. That's if you can even get treatment.

I developed ptsd after my traumatic birth. A large part of the ptsd was the doctors refusal to even talk about the risks and benefits of c sections and insisting i had to do it vaginally.

The waiting list for the trauma specific treatment i needed for the ptsd was about 5 years long. If they'd listened to me and given me the c section i needed, i wouldn't have developed ptsd.

honestly. what utter tosh
the rates of c sections is increasing because of mums having babies at an older age/ or having babies despite having medical conditions. also higher rates of obese patients

YANBU, I had an elective section last year and honestly this is just ridiculous

Especially as data proves long term outcomes are better for elective section mums compared to vaginal births and EMCS so it’s costly too

The greens? The party who defined women as 'non men'? Yeah I've no interest in opinions on maternity care from a party which pretends not to know what a woman is

I have absolutely no idea what the Green Party thinks a woman's medical decisions have got to do with them.

When was the last time they said anything about climate change?

Will they be reducing the c section rate for women or men, because they don't actually seem to know what the difference is.

The UK, with much midwife led care, allredy has enough focus on birth being a normal, non medical event. As long as you're low risk that is! I don't think it's a bad sentiment but politicians should be aware about the implications on women's choice and funding in different areas of the NHS. I actually think that politicians do have a role in this country to talk about things like c section rates because the NHS is funded by the government, and policies should be on how it could be improved.

However, this is a very uneducated stance. It sounds like it is saying less money should be spent on NHS maternity care, if it's not medical and that is dangerous. I think it's really just a hippy stance for homebirths, and will attract people who fear hospitals, and are paranoid about the medical industry.

The greens have always gone after women. They disagree with our very existence the majority of the times. They’ll also want to look at reducing abortion rates and curtailing the freedoms of women if they are ever in power. I’d not vote for any party willing to do dealings with them.

The same. I was thinking the other day that maybe I need to look have beyond the usual box ( labelled Labour for me) No way now!
I’m over 50, had vaginal birth and my DD won’t have children due to her disability but I can’t tolerate this awful regression even mentally. F* that !!!!
Is this their new way to reduce human impact in the natural environment?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/lost-deposits/

Under his eye.

This is about the control of women and about castigating women for needing normal medical interventions.

IF this is a cost issue then how can they justify the fact that they are pro-medicalisation for trans people? That is unneccessary and costly intervention!

Absolute bunch of melts. They have no business getting involved in this. As a non man (their preferred term) I say "fuck off".

Thank you for sharing this OP. I am absolutely enraged by this by reasons others have expressed more eloquently than I can.

I'm definitely not voting Greens then.

I've never seen a more ignorant pile of shit.

Terrible policy from a party who hate women. Why is 'natural' childbirth so venerated? The lifetime risk of dying in childbirth for women in Africa is 1 in 8 - obviously many other factors at work but childbirth unfortunately comes with a risk of serious harm or death to woman and child. We need more resources, more (and better) midwives and doctors and the appropriate care each individual woman needs, not medical policy based on political targets.

It is just pregnant women or are they including the pregnant men as well? 😉😉