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Severe lies between our children and friends children HELP

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New15 · 03/06/2024 14:12

Long one so will try and compress down!

I have 14 (Boy) and 10 (Girl)
Lifelong friends have 2 kids 14 (girl) and 13 (boy)

these people we see every weekend, we holiday together have been through good and bad together and are so important to us.

Background being both my friends kids have been caught out lying about Drinking, Vaping, talking to adults in a sexual nature over the internet sending explicit pictures to other people in the last 6 months or so.
My kids are the model of good behaviour, neither have ever done anything wrong (I’m so lucky) my boy 14 is massively into sport so his health is priority. We have different parenting styles, I am more of a gentle parent with the others being the opposite.
Both my kids are always honest and upfront and have never done anything to not have my trust.

my Daughter 10 last week said she had something to tell me and got really upset.
2 weeks ago, whilst round their house. My daughter (10) went in their sons room (13) for a few minutes a which is totally normal and had said he was having sexual conversations with other friends over PS5.
he had turned and said sorry did you know about that stuff?, to which she responded “yes, I did sex education at school last week”
He then proceeded to show her on his phone what I believe to be porn. He also asked her if she knew what it was. At 10 years old she was trying to describe what she saw, but struggled as she didn’t understand it, however I knew what she was talking about straight away. She felt uncomfortable and pretended to need a drink to which he said, if she was to tell me, he would say it was her and she would get into trouble.

Now she does have Tourette’s and struggles with decisions and some emotions massively which is why I assume it’s taken her a week to pluck the courage up to say something.

I rang my friend and explained what I had been told and that I was so shocked by it. The friend apologised to which I said it’s not your fault but please speak with him and let me know.

we knew he would lie because he lies about everything until it’s black and white in his face to which he couldn’t lie.

my friend rang me back the next day and said her son (13) has swore down he absolutely did not show her anything. There was nothing on his phone. That he had said, she had overheard him laughing in about sexual stuff with his friends which he apologised for but that was it.
I explained, that what my daughter told me, she couldn’t have known, and the way she explained it proved she didn’t know what it was, only she knew it wasn’t right.
My friend then proceeded to tell me my daughter probably knows much more than she lets on, and I should baby proof her phone! (Her phone has always been for school walking only) and she doesn’t have access to the internet at all.
So basically my friend has took her sons word and now it is incredibly awkward.

what do I do?
this is someone who is considered as family. We love each others kids like our own, and despite her kids going off the rails a little and lying Iv always loved them like they are my own.

I don’t know how to approach it at all!

My daughter had asked what was going on and I had to tell her that they believe he is telling the truth. To which she broke down in tears, and said she wish she never said anything. Which makes it worse I want her as a young girl to be able to tell me things that make her feel uncomfortable and to be heard. - And this isn’t a little white lie or swearing ect. This is a teenager lying about showing my 10 year old something extremely sexual.

this whole experience as a parent has me overwhelmed.

Thoughts from an outside viewer are greatly appreciated!

OP posts:
AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 14:25

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 14:24

Please tell me where it says I wish to protect the boy?

You said he shouldn’t be punished. As if keeping this little girl away from him is a punishment. FFS.

taylorswift1989 · 05/06/2024 14:37

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 14:23

Tell me where I've argued against safeguarding?

You say the OP should carry on as usual. (And when a pp objected to that, you accused her of 'having issues'.) I'd say that's where you're arguing against safeguarding. You're arguing for continuing to place the child in danger of sexual abuse.

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 14:38

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 14:25

You said he shouldn’t be punished. As if keeping this little girl away from him is a punishment. FFS.

No I didn't. I didn't say any of that. Quote and highlight.

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 14:39

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 14:38

No I didn't. I didn't say any of that. Quote and highlight.

So please explain what you meant by “punishment”?

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 15:00

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 13:43

Your reaction is bias and one of fear due to what you have experienced, they are not rational. Not everybody will repeat what ever your abuser has done to you. You can't punish somebody because of what has happened to you

Who are you describing as being punished exactly?

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 16:05

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 14:39

So please explain what you meant by “punishment”?

Where am I saying he should not be punished?

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 16:24

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 16:05

Where am I saying he should not be punished?

Ah. Got it now. Trolling.

You said "You can't punish somebody because of what happened to you" after I stated that the OP's little girl shouldn't have to be in the company of her abuser.

Back to the school debating team with you!

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 16:30

Or worse

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 16:40

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 16:30

Or worse

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but... Yes. That had crossed my mind.

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 19:48

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 16:24

Ah. Got it now. Trolling.

You said "You can't punish somebody because of what happened to you" after I stated that the OP's little girl shouldn't have to be in the company of her abuser.

Back to the school debating team with you!

No, you are the one that got it wrong. Trolling my eye.

The point is quite simple and you seem to be the only one that couldn't understand.

The boy may well be punished, not for me to say, but shouldn't be punished because somebody else abused another. The boy should be judged on what he has done wrong.

As I have said, he's probably been so frightened by the scenario that he has learned a lesson.

When somebody is wrong, it is much easier to put your hands and say so. It's not pretty to deflect.

Purplebunnie · 05/06/2024 20:27

@Kjpt140v As I have said, he's probably been so frightened by the scenario that he has learned a lesson.

He's not frightened by the scenario He has got away with it. He has said a 10 year old girl was lying and GOT AWAY WITH IT

How do you think that will make him feel. What can he get away with now. He must be bloody crowing

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 21:13

Purplebunnie · 05/06/2024 20:27

@Kjpt140v As I have said, he's probably been so frightened by the scenario that he has learned a lesson.

He's not frightened by the scenario He has got away with it. He has said a 10 year old girl was lying and GOT AWAY WITH IT

How do you think that will make him feel. What can he get away with now. He must be bloody crowing

How do you know that? You need to calm down.

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 21:20

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 19:48

No, you are the one that got it wrong. Trolling my eye.

The point is quite simple and you seem to be the only one that couldn't understand.

The boy may well be punished, not for me to say, but shouldn't be punished because somebody else abused another. The boy should be judged on what he has done wrong.

As I have said, he's probably been so frightened by the scenario that he has learned a lesson.

When somebody is wrong, it is much easier to put your hands and say so. It's not pretty to deflect.

You mentioned punishment; I did not.

I'll reiterate: the victim should not be obliged to be in the company of the perpetrator.

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 21:20

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 21:13

How do you know that? You need to calm down.

How very male of you.

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 21:23

I refuse to engage further with someone who is - at best - arguing for the sake of it. Second-best - trying to exert dominance.

Purplebunnie · 05/06/2024 21:42

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 21:13

How do you know that? You need to calm down.

Where on earth do you get that I need to calm down? I'm only stating my perception of the events as you have stated yours. You think the 13 year old is frightened by the scenario. He may have been to start off with but he's in the clear now, he's made out a little girl is lying - I think that will make him feel very big that he's got away with it

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 21:45

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 16:40

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but... Yes. That had crossed my mind.

I think you are overly kind.

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 21:47

WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 21:23

I refuse to engage further with someone who is - at best - arguing for the sake of it. Second-best - trying to exert dominance.

No point in it.

Kjpt140v · 05/06/2024 21:50

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WearyAuldWumman · 05/06/2024 22:44

AliceOlive · 05/06/2024 21:47

No point in it.

True.

I'm somewhat amused by the ever so masculine attempt to have the last word. You can always tell.

AliceOlive · 06/06/2024 02:12

Always.

TreeOfLives · 22/08/2024 00:05

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