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Severe lies between our children and friends children HELP

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New15 · 03/06/2024 14:12

Long one so will try and compress down!

I have 14 (Boy) and 10 (Girl)
Lifelong friends have 2 kids 14 (girl) and 13 (boy)

these people we see every weekend, we holiday together have been through good and bad together and are so important to us.

Background being both my friends kids have been caught out lying about Drinking, Vaping, talking to adults in a sexual nature over the internet sending explicit pictures to other people in the last 6 months or so.
My kids are the model of good behaviour, neither have ever done anything wrong (I’m so lucky) my boy 14 is massively into sport so his health is priority. We have different parenting styles, I am more of a gentle parent with the others being the opposite.
Both my kids are always honest and upfront and have never done anything to not have my trust.

my Daughter 10 last week said she had something to tell me and got really upset.
2 weeks ago, whilst round their house. My daughter (10) went in their sons room (13) for a few minutes a which is totally normal and had said he was having sexual conversations with other friends over PS5.
he had turned and said sorry did you know about that stuff?, to which she responded “yes, I did sex education at school last week”
He then proceeded to show her on his phone what I believe to be porn. He also asked her if she knew what it was. At 10 years old she was trying to describe what she saw, but struggled as she didn’t understand it, however I knew what she was talking about straight away. She felt uncomfortable and pretended to need a drink to which he said, if she was to tell me, he would say it was her and she would get into trouble.

Now she does have Tourette’s and struggles with decisions and some emotions massively which is why I assume it’s taken her a week to pluck the courage up to say something.

I rang my friend and explained what I had been told and that I was so shocked by it. The friend apologised to which I said it’s not your fault but please speak with him and let me know.

we knew he would lie because he lies about everything until it’s black and white in his face to which he couldn’t lie.

my friend rang me back the next day and said her son (13) has swore down he absolutely did not show her anything. There was nothing on his phone. That he had said, she had overheard him laughing in about sexual stuff with his friends which he apologised for but that was it.
I explained, that what my daughter told me, she couldn’t have known, and the way she explained it proved she didn’t know what it was, only she knew it wasn’t right.
My friend then proceeded to tell me my daughter probably knows much more than she lets on, and I should baby proof her phone! (Her phone has always been for school walking only) and she doesn’t have access to the internet at all.
So basically my friend has took her sons word and now it is incredibly awkward.

what do I do?
this is someone who is considered as family. We love each others kids like our own, and despite her kids going off the rails a little and lying Iv always loved them like they are my own.

I don’t know how to approach it at all!

My daughter had asked what was going on and I had to tell her that they believe he is telling the truth. To which she broke down in tears, and said she wish she never said anything. Which makes it worse I want her as a young girl to be able to tell me things that make her feel uncomfortable and to be heard. - And this isn’t a little white lie or swearing ect. This is a teenager lying about showing my 10 year old something extremely sexual.

this whole experience as a parent has me overwhelmed.

Thoughts from an outside viewer are greatly appreciated!

OP posts:
MrsSunshine2b · 04/06/2024 17:01

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 16:46

From reading OP's posts, the boy never sent a picture to the 10-year-old. It was his sister who had sent some, but don't recall it was to the 10-year-old.

My kids don't send pics like these to others - as far as I'm aware and I do check - but kids do. It's not right or healthy in my view, but many do it. Adults do it too. I'm of a generation where I find all of this very strange for sure!

No, he didn't send an explicit picture to the 10 yo, he showed pornography to the 10 yo, which is a crime.

Otherstories2002 · 04/06/2024 17:02

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 16:44

Sexually abuses? He showed inappropriate content, after she came into his room and it wasn't premeditated.
It is a worry but if it's not happened before taking it to the police is too much in my view.
The age of criminal responsibility in this country from 10 years of age is a travesty, but that is for another day.

It’s a crime. You realise that yes?

Lavengro · 04/06/2024 17:25

MILTOBE · 04/06/2024 12:42

OP has also said that the friend's kids have been engaged in sex chat online with adults, and sending explicit photos. She says the police were involved but no action was taken as it had all been deleted.

She has said - and repeated - that it was the elder daughter, not the son, who'd done all that.

Yes, I've read the thread and I'm well aware of that. Why do you think this reduces the concern that the children in this family are not being properly safeguarded? I would say the fact that both children are engaged in sexually inappropriate behaviour makes it more of a worry, not less.

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:52

Otherstories2002 · 04/06/2024 17:02

It’s a crime. You realise that yes?

They're both children. It's awful that pornography is available but that is the issue that needs to be addressed by Gov and tech companies.
I think a one off like this and saying it's a crime - even if it may be defined that way - is just a bit much. He's as much a child as she is. If there is a general pattern of him being inappropriate or showing material, yes. I guess they're both over the age of criminality (madness, 10 and 13 - still very young)!

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:55

Lavengro · 04/06/2024 17:25

Yes, I've read the thread and I'm well aware of that. Why do you think this reduces the concern that the children in this family are not being properly safeguarded? I would say the fact that both children are engaged in sexually inappropriate behaviour makes it more of a worry, not less.

I missed the thing about the 14-year-old sister of the boy sending explicit photographs. Did it not say 'sending stuff to boys'. Not sure exactly what that means, but maybe it does mean sexually explicit, but it's not a given.

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:56

I'm not minimising at all the situation, but I do feel the discussion on here around all of this is just not very balanced at all. They are BOTH children.

Lavengro · 04/06/2024 18:07

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:55

I missed the thing about the 14-year-old sister of the boy sending explicit photographs. Did it not say 'sending stuff to boys'. Not sure exactly what that means, but maybe it does mean sexually explicit, but it's not a given.

"talking to adults in a sexual nature over the internet"

It's all in the OP.

And yes, they're all children, which is why the lack of safeguarding for all of them (and any hypothetical others in their social circle) is a worry, and not something the OP can fix - particularly when her friend is pretending there's no problem - without statutory involvement, i.e. police, social services, school.

AliceOlive · 04/06/2024 18:49

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:56

I'm not minimising at all the situation, but I do feel the discussion on here around all of this is just not very balanced at all. They are BOTH children.

You keep saying that, but what does it mean? You believe a 13 year old boy can’t be a predator? You are incredibly wrong.

This is not normal behavior for a child. Many have already told you this.

HelenaTranscart · 04/06/2024 18:58

Beautifulbythebay · 03/06/2024 14:40

Ime it's important your dd feels safe in her environment and what she tells you is believed.. Keeping her away from them is vital. Sadly your friend is raising her dc differently.. Her choice. As is yours to walk away and leave her to it.

This.Your DD's safety is priority. Awful situation for you to navigate so feel for you.

Otherstories2002 · 04/06/2024 18:59

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:56

I'm not minimising at all the situation, but I do feel the discussion on here around all of this is just not very balanced at all. They are BOTH children.

They are both children but the situation is not the same.

the 10 year old is the victim of a crime here. Perpetrated by the 13 year old. Both need support and intervention. But the priority for the OP must be safeguarding her child.

Princesscounsuelabananahammock · 04/06/2024 19:09

letscalmdown · 04/06/2024 17:56

I'm not minimising at all the situation, but I do feel the discussion on here around all of this is just not very balanced at all. They are BOTH children.

That's quite irrelevant to how OP manages the risk though. Her child will be just as traumatised by the abuse whether the perpatrator is 13 or 40. Her priority is to safeguard her own vulnerable child. Leave the the other child's parents and relevant authorities to judge how much of a child he is

independentfriend · 04/06/2024 19:26

Worth considering that the 13 year old boy is also a child who may be being groomed by people older than him and replicating their behaviour. Telling his school about the situation wouldn't be a bad idea even if you don't want to talk to the police or social services.

MumTeacherofMany · 04/06/2024 19:36

Personally I'd leave it be now. Its not worth falling out over. Reassure your daughter she was right to tell you and do not leave them alone again. It's not worth falling out over

ThistleTits · 04/06/2024 20:10

@New15 now he knows his mother will believe his lies, what will he do next?
Ensure it's not your daughter at the receiving end of his next crime because it was a crime.
The friends daughter is also an issue. What was the outcome of her online sharing pictures of others with adults? That's a crime too, not just on her part but also the adults in the scenario.

14 years is a long friendship, that doesn't give them free reign to abuse your child.

Askingforafriendtoday · 04/06/2024 20:29

@New15 'Just to clarify it was the girl who was caught sending things to other boys. The son has never done anything sexual (that we know of)' That's what you wrote, OP, and:
My daughter (10) went in their sons room (13) for a few minutes a which is totally normal and had said he was having sexual conversations with other friends over PS5.'

Was it the son or daughter of your friends sending things to other boys? You said your daughter went into their son's room... just a bit confusing.
But yes, 100% support your daughter as you are doing, horrible time for you

OldPerson · 04/06/2024 20:31

Create space. Back out now from the friendship.

This is only a problem because you "love" the friends and value them so much and want or "need" to stay close to them.

They are facing issues with their own children.

Back out now.

Your children are now only facing issues because of what they've been exposed to. Back out now.

If it were my children, I'd protect them.

I'd take a deep breath. I'd start making friends with the other parents of classmates of children.

What does it take for you?

Does someone have to rape or murder, before you stand up for yourself and say this is not acceptable?

Lulu49 · 04/06/2024 20:37

This is so difficult, children go off the rails for all sorts of reasons and it doesn't mean their parents are bad parents. I would keep your child away unless you are all together.

queenMab99 · 04/06/2024 20:54

Apart from the sexual element, telling a ten year old girl, that she will not be believed and that he will blame her, is awful! He is a psychological/emotional abuser in the making.

Otherstories2002 · 04/06/2024 21:04

MumTeacherofMany · 04/06/2024 19:36

Personally I'd leave it be now. Its not worth falling out over. Reassure your daughter she was right to tell you and do not leave them alone again. It's not worth falling out over

Have you lost your mind?!

pineapplesundae · 04/06/2024 21:32

What an unfortunate set of circumstances. I'm pretty sure the son is worried despite the brave, lying face he puts on. Do you want the three of you to sit down and discuss it, without the 10 year old and see if he will confess? He needs to know he's headed for trouble with this kind of behavior. He can get kicked out of school, arrested, be labeled a sex offended and so on. I feel a little bad for his mom. How do you protect a child like this? She's in a tough place.

Kjpt140v · 04/06/2024 22:47

You are very judgemental about your friend's children. You need to be careful because you don't what they do when the cats away. Even if they are as you say there is a possibility that one day you will be let down, and I promise you if you are vocal about your angelic children, then there will be people who are waiting for that moment to happen.

As far as your relationship is concerned I would carry on as usual and hopefully the young man has had a fright and will not repeat what he is accused. I would also tell your elder to ensure his sister is not alone with the young man. Don't forget the boy is only thirteen, and his hormones are awakening. He will be inquisitive.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 04/06/2024 22:54

MumTeacherofMany · 04/06/2024 19:36

Personally I'd leave it be now. Its not worth falling out over. Reassure your daughter she was right to tell you and do not leave them alone again. It's not worth falling out over

The world has officially gone bat shit crazy.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 04/06/2024 22:56

Kjpt140v · 04/06/2024 22:47

You are very judgemental about your friend's children. You need to be careful because you don't what they do when the cats away. Even if they are as you say there is a possibility that one day you will be let down, and I promise you if you are vocal about your angelic children, then there will be people who are waiting for that moment to happen.

As far as your relationship is concerned I would carry on as usual and hopefully the young man has had a fright and will not repeat what he is accused. I would also tell your elder to ensure his sister is not alone with the young man. Don't forget the boy is only thirteen, and his hormones are awakening. He will be inquisitive.

What TF have I just read. Am I imagining some of these posts.

pollymere · 04/06/2024 23:39

I would not want my kids around kids like that. Their behaviour is inappropriate and illegal. If the Mum is aware then she can be found guilty of neglect and sexual abuse (endorsing a minor in inappropriate sexual activity). Her DS isn't old enough to be having sexual conversations apparently overheard either! Regrettably 95% of kids have seen porn by Y7 so don't feel too bad about your DD. Just tell her she did the right thing letting you know and that she won't need to see these kids anymore.

Pineapplecolada1 · 05/06/2024 00:45

Keep your child away
However your friends children are underage and if they are talking sexually with adults and sending pictures, then they are being groomed.
You’d friend should inform the police

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