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N225NNW · 2024-06-02T06:52:22+00:00

I find it annoying. Why can’t they use their own men’s websites? Of which there are many! *Note I put a thread up like this last night. Then went to bed. When I woke up this morning, it had been deleted by MN. Not sure what went on there..

TheCadoganArms · 04/06/2024 08:30

@NonPlayerCharacter

In fairness 'strumpet' and 'floozie' were criminally underused by Jane Austin.

"A ladys imagination is very rapid; it jumps from admiration to love to matrimony in a moment. They can be quite the floozie" - Darcy

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/06/2024 08:43

Newbutoldfather · 04/06/2024 07:28

@NonPlayerCharacter ,

‘I love your pretence that it's not completely self evident to any English speaker and you aren't totally familiar with words such as slut, slag, whore, harridan, strumpet, bitch, hag, crone, cougar, floozie, chit, termagant, harpy, Karen, frump and so on.’

This did make me laugh a bit! The outraged tone, as if even someone with basic education would be familiar with ‘termagant’ (I remember learning that one in O level English), ‘chit’, ‘harridan’ or ‘strumpet’. A lot of your list are archaic, and would be known only by those who study or watch Shakespeare today.

All that means is that we can see that the patriarchy dominated hundreds of years ago.

I wonder how the comparison would look if we only looked at words coined in the last 50 years. I suspect, but don’t know, that it would be far more even.

See, @saraclara, this is the response people who try to undermine the reality of misogyny in our language usually give. They claim it doesn't matter (it does), or it isn't up to date (it is), or sometimes that women deserve it, but they never pretend it has somehow escaped them, because that's even more ridiculous than this post.

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N225NNW · 04/06/2024 09:49

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/06/2024 08:43

See, @saraclara, this is the response people who try to undermine the reality of misogyny in our language usually give. They claim it doesn't matter (it does), or it isn't up to date (it is), or sometimes that women deserve it, but they never pretend it has somehow escaped them, because that's even more ridiculous than this post.

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😂😂 Yes. I’ve realised there’s not much point in trying to debate it, because, especially on here, people are emboldened by anonymity. Which I like myself, but it often makes sensible discussion, impossible.

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saraclara · 04/06/2024 14:40

I've just been reading a thread where many posters have been referring to the female subjects as bitches, cows and witches (from memory, though they probably used even more of the examples up thread).

If these words are so bad (they really are, and I wince whenever I see them ) why do many women on this board use them so liberally to describe other women?

5128gap · 04/06/2024 14:49

saraclara · 04/06/2024 14:40

I've just been reading a thread where many posters have been referring to the female subjects as bitches, cows and witches (from memory, though they probably used even more of the examples up thread).

If these words are so bad (they really are, and I wince whenever I see them ) why do many women on this board use them so liberally to describe other women?

Well, as we've learned from this thread, many of the people posting are actually men. So we don't know how many posters using these insults are women. Ime when misogynist insults are used, someone usually challenges it, so I don't think its fair to imply its an accepted norm on MN. It also seems a bit odd to be suggesting there's some conflict between a thing being 'bad' and some people on MN doing the thing as though they are mutually exclusive. People on here say bad things all the time. Doesn't make them less bad, does it?

NonPlayerCharacter · 04/06/2024 14:59

saraclara · 04/06/2024 14:40

I've just been reading a thread where many posters have been referring to the female subjects as bitches, cows and witches (from memory, though they probably used even more of the examples up thread).

If these words are so bad (they really are, and I wince whenever I see them ) why do many women on this board use them so liberally to describe other women?

Oh, so you do see those words.

I wouldn't assume any longer that a majority of posters are women, for a start.

But internalised misogyny is a thing. It is not OK, but it's an absolute ouroboros of crap when there is so much misogyny that it can no longer be denied, but somehow the only pertinent discussion point still becomes how women are to blame for it.

There are a zillion more words to insult a woman than a man in our language; this is an inevitable result.