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To push ds into claiming

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Lacky301 · 31/05/2024 16:44

Ds has just finished uni and never worked through me and ex dp give him £450 a month between us plus I've always bought him the odd thing and gave a bit extra here and there.
Me and his dad are seperated and his dads just received notification that he will now be charged full council tax as ds has finished uni I'm under strain financially. I've told ds he needs to claim universal credit until he finds a job but he keeps saying I want my results first. Am I wrong in pushing him to claim to take some pressure off me and dp. Fwiw he would get around £370 per month as living at home.

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CaribouCarafe · 02/06/2024 10:51

I'm genuinely surprised 78% of voters think OP is not being unreasonable to push her healthy, fit, almost qualified son to choose benefits over picking up literally any temporary job that would pay the same/more than UC would and would ultimately look better on his cv. Hope he gets a job soon as the thought of someone with his attitude to work receiving anything from my taxes enrages me.

Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 10:58

CaribouCarafe · 02/06/2024 10:51

I'm genuinely surprised 78% of voters think OP is not being unreasonable to push her healthy, fit, almost qualified son to choose benefits over picking up literally any temporary job that would pay the same/more than UC would and would ultimately look better on his cv. Hope he gets a job soon as the thought of someone with his attitude to work receiving anything from my taxes enrages me.

He isn't choosing benefits over a job it was just an idea to tide him over whilst he looks for a job he may get a job before he receives a penny anyway.

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Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 11:00

independentfriend · 01/06/2024 18:28

As he has accommodation until August, he doesn't actually live with his dad at the moment so there's no reason for his dad to lose the single person discount until he moves back in August.

Assuming he can't/won't live with you - it's ok for him to just have one home when he moves back rather than moving between your house and his dad's and if you already have two adults in the house it makes sense for him to live with you assuming there's space in your house for him to avoid the Council Tax issue. (Not suggesting lying about where he's living.)

If he's going to claim Universal Credit, the advice I've seen is it's best to claim between 1-18 of the month to avoid problems with two monthly salaries falling into one assessment period. It's worth doing some reading before claiming.

The university careers service should be able to help with job hunting.

A holiday / break after finishing uni isn't a bad plan before plunging into job hunting (not necessarily months worth, but a couple of weeks off)

It doesn't work like that in government eyes he has finished his course so no longer a student and can get a job and contribute to council tax as his permanent address is at his dad's.

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Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 11:03

Ds will not be claiming in any case only if he struggles to find a job and he is willing to do anything.
Has for not working at uni well is it such a bad thing to just concentrate on studies some universities discourage or don't allow.

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Hairyfairy01 · 02/06/2024 11:08

To be fair OP, physio students where I am at least are encouraged to not work in term time. Its is a full on course and the placements are full time and demanding. What is strange however is why he hasn't applied for band 5 rotational posts in the nhs much earlier in the year?

SnozPoz · 02/06/2024 12:35

I don't think he will get anything if he hasn't worked before? Also it's really not hard to get a job in the UK since Brexit. Shops, restaurants, cafes, bars, farms.... they're all desperate for workers. I think he needs a bit of a wake-up call

Byronada · 02/06/2024 13:40

It doesn't work like that in government eyes he has finished his course so no longer a student and can get a job and contribute to council tax as his permanent address is at his dad's.*

Not just in the government's eyes but also in the eyes of hardworking taxpayers like me.

rwalker · 02/06/2024 13:55

I think people don’t realise he won’t just get money for turning up
they’ll a sign him job coach he will have to apply for things or the will just stop any money they were giving him

it’s that much of a pain I would suspect it would stir him into action

Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 14:04

Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 11:03

Ds will not be claiming in any case only if he struggles to find a job and he is willing to do anything.
Has for not working at uni well is it such a bad thing to just concentrate on studies some universities discourage or don't allow.

No university does not allow students to work. Your DS is spinning bullshit to justify not working and you are just lapping it up! He need to get off his arse and get a job, he is a lazy.

XenoBitch · 02/06/2024 14:37

Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 14:04

No university does not allow students to work. Your DS is spinning bullshit to justify not working and you are just lapping it up! He need to get off his arse and get a job, he is a lazy.

None say you are not allowed, but they do discourage it. I did a HCP course (as did OP's son), and we were discouraged from working during term time due to placements and the workload. We were also not allowed to go on holiday between semesters.
Many people on my course did not work (they were supported by family etc.... I was one of them), but some did.

TheSquareMile · 02/06/2024 14:45

Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 11:03

Ds will not be claiming in any case only if he struggles to find a job and he is willing to do anything.
Has for not working at uni well is it such a bad thing to just concentrate on studies some universities discourage or don't allow.

@Lacky301

Does he have any applications he's waiting to hear about, OP?

Did you see my suggestion about joining the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy?

https://www.csp.org.uk/networks/students/join-member-networks

Join member networks

There are so many ways for you to connect with your peers and other physio professionals. See our list of networks you might like to join.

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AllTheChaos · 02/06/2024 14:45

Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 14:04

No university does not allow students to work. Your DS is spinning bullshit to justify not working and you are just lapping it up! He need to get off his arse and get a job, he is a lazy.

When did that change? Admittedly I was a student a long time ago 😂

RoseUnder · 02/06/2024 14:48

Time for tough love OP.
Some good advice here.
Your young, healthy, able bodied son shouldn’t get to enjoy a leisurely summer at tax payers’ expense. Even if this money is legally available to him it’s morally wrong to take it.

Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 14:53

AllTheChaos · 02/06/2024 14:45

When did that change? Admittedly I was a student a long time ago 😂

No idea but having 2 kids recently enter uni education, not one uni or course has told students they are not allowed to work whilst studying.

AllTheChaos · 02/06/2024 15:11

Ah it’s definitely changed then, @Waitformetoarrive, Oxbridge never used to allow it

Holluschickie · 02/06/2024 15:14

If your university does not allow kids to work or the course is too punishing, you need to support him. Not expect the taxpayer to do so.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 02/06/2024 15:33

thunk you’re getting a hard time op.

I encouraged my dd to claim UC whilst seeking work after graduation. She applied for everything. Incl cleaning but with no luck.

Dwp were great with her and found her a work placement for a few weeks and as a result she got a job which she loves.

The job market is quite tough rn. Employees want a lot for min wage.

What I would say is if your dad is in student accommodation then claiming UC complicates council tax exemption.

Your ds should get in touch with uni careers esp whilst he is in uni town. They can help
him with cv, applications and volunteering relevant work experience. Is it physio he wants to do?

AgileMentor · 02/06/2024 15:35

He needs to get a job or claim. UC will push him to work and help him. I keep telling my dad my brother needs to. He’s almost 21 never worked a day in his life yet us 3 girls have all worked from leaving school. Get him to sign up to agencies. I got taken on full time from an agency job and so have 2 of my cousins.

Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 15:36

Holluschickie · 02/06/2024 15:14

If your university does not allow kids to work or the course is too punishing, you need to support him. Not expect the taxpayer to do so.

What if the parents can't

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Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 15:40

Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 14:04

No university does not allow students to work. Your DS is spinning bullshit to justify not working and you are just lapping it up! He need to get off his arse and get a job, he is a lazy.

That was my words not ds who are you to judge that my ds is a lazy arse you don't even know him only what has been said on here.

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Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 15:41

AllTheChaos · 02/06/2024 15:11

Ah it’s definitely changed then, @Waitformetoarrive, Oxbridge never used to allow it

Oxbridge recommend people don’t work, they dont say you are not allowed at the detriment of attending the university.

Waitformetoarrive · 02/06/2024 15:41

Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 15:40

That was my words not ds who are you to judge that my ds is a lazy arse you don't even know him only what has been said on here.

i say this as a tax payer who thinks you/him are taking the p@@s

Holluschickie · 02/06/2024 15:44

Lacky301 · 02/06/2024 15:36

What if the parents can't

Then he needs to get a job. Any job, and live at home. My DD is graduating this July. She already has a job. Not a great one but a start. She began searching last October. Doesn't pay much so she will live at home, but she won't be seeking benefits so she can take time off doing nothing.

Scavernick · 02/06/2024 15:44

CaribouCarafe · 02/06/2024 10:51

I'm genuinely surprised 78% of voters think OP is not being unreasonable to push her healthy, fit, almost qualified son to choose benefits over picking up literally any temporary job that would pay the same/more than UC would and would ultimately look better on his cv. Hope he gets a job soon as the thought of someone with his attitude to work receiving anything from my taxes enrages me.

I agree. This is NOT what benefits are for.

kwetu · 02/06/2024 15:45

The hospitality industry is crying out for staff, even my 14yo DD walked into her part time job!