To not see how the gov will make any money from taxing private schools?

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All the other threads seem to have descended into bunfighting over the ethics of the policy, yet I'm not really understanding how this stands to benefit the government as surely they'll be footing the bill for all the kids that move to state schools?

As a disclaimer, I don't have kids and wouldn't be able to afford to privately educate them even if I did, despite earning a half decent salary.

I'm reading that it costs around £7k per pupil per term, so it would take the VAT from around four families to fund each additional child moving to state education.

Given that this may be 4/10 kids in private education moving to state schooling, I don't see how this doesn't create a net loss as there will only be 50% more kids left in private education and there needs to be multiple times that for the VAT increase to foot the bill.

Surely I'm missing something here?

You're right, I should take a punt with my already precious mental health - at the point of taking my own life, btw - and trusting a man who is nothing but Tory lite.

I should gamble my child's education. And then kill myself.

You'd be happy though.

Can’t you quit the crying laughing

It’s obvious the pp is stressed about their dc’s education

Starmer is Blair 2.0 - promise special schools and never provide them. Allow the next Tory admin to deal with that.

I'll never vote Labour again.

But even if they’re not exempt, surely the local authority will cover the increased cost - although I can’t see how state funded private place through an EHCP would be liable for VAT when the point is to raise funds - or they’ll have to find adequate provision in the state sector (which we know they probably can’t at the moment). Practically I cannot see how it’ll make any difference day to day for you or your son, which should be good news!

I can see though, why there would be some uncertainty if they haven’t been clear about how it’ll work in practice.

LAs cannot afford to cover that VAT rise, thats the short of it

I think you’ll find she did the same in her laughing at tax payers paying for her child’s private education post.

Given that there’s supposed to be a shortage of teachers anyway, I don’t suppose too many will be out of work for long. They’ll very likely have to take a pay cut in the state sector though. @

I mean you did just say you’ll never vote Labour as Starmer is Tory lite and then say you’ll be voting Tory, doesn’t quite add up! In 14 years there has been no additional funding or resources for SEN children so I don’t see how voting for the same will change that.

Regardless, I cannot honestly see how it’ll affect your child but I can see how the lack of transparency is affecting you!

But it isn’t making it fair because inequalities will still exist. Private schools aren’t being banned, tutors aren’t being banned, taking kids to museums on the weekend isn’t being banned. The wealthier members of society have advantages, unless you want a communist state it will always be so.

If the maths worked it would make sense so that state schools could be improved, but it doesn’t, so it’s just about pulling some people down rather than lifting some up.

They won’t have a choice, they have to allow your child an education and if they can’t do that in state education, private it is. I would very much imagine it’ll be exempt though!

My daughter spent two years oud of education because your precious state schools refused to accept her.

And the reality is if she lost her her private school place now, it could easily be enough another year out of education for - she is 6.

I'm ready to kill myself because no employer will take me at this point either,

I have an NVQ level 2 in Business Admin and have the experience to back it but am being rejected left right and centre. If that cunt Starmer, who benefitted from his private school fees being waived takes away from children with EHCPS, then I wish you all the best and say goodnight.

I can’t, it’s been made clear EHCPs are exempt.

The law says one thing, the schools say another.

They didn't accept her. They won't accept. Schools break the law all the time, as do local authorities.

No, it hasn't. Starmer will not talk to us on this.

Well, ours will stay at private school as not too many years left and we will have to absorb the cost.
BUT if we were starting the process now, then no way could we afford the extra £10,000+ per year for 7+ years.
all of our friends say the same.
will it help the state sector and stop elitism? No chance.
Those in the future who cant afford the fee’s will send their children to state school and pay for private tutors. And private clubs etc etc

My child has been out of education for 4 years and has to use state education. Trust me the ride we’ve been on would have defeated the vast majority of parents.

Labour are not taking away from children with EHCPs they’ve made that clear.

I think this will be the case for most parents with kids part way through private. Grit teeth and get through if at all possible. No one wants to disrupt their kids’ education when they are settled and happy. The difference in numbers in private schools will be seen gradually as enrolment drops in all but the top tiers or highly populated areas (London/Edinburgh).

He doesn’t need to talk to you it has been widely reported that EHCPs are exempt.

He does need to talk to SEN parents.

Refusing to just amounts to votes lost.

Like the Tories have spoken to SEN parents?

I think every single person on this thread, nay in this country (I would hope), wants to see your disabled DD in the school that best meets her needs @SpudleyLass Preferably at the complete expense of the tax payer, and certainly not with VAT added on!

It was unfair of Labour to announce this before consulting with parents of disabled children. I can understand them being a bit vague on other aspects of the implementation to minimise tax avoidance schemes, but children accessing specialist provision are clearly a different matter.

Whilst I support the idea of VAT on private education in theory, things like this make me worry that this will not be rolled out in a fair or well thought out way.

@SpudleyLass I sympathise with you. My son is autistic and, at one point, was over 2000 on the waiting list for a diagnosis. He was born 2014 - under a Tory government. My ire is directed at them, not Starmer. I’m a teacher and taught for a decade under Labour. It was so much better then. My son is in Yr 5. We could never afford private education (ironically as teacher), I am hoping we return to the education of the 2000s and my son (and all SEND) kids can access education from the state well.

I am not a Tory fan.

But once again, it is STARMER, who is potentially the threat to my daughter's recently established education.

If he would just speak to a consortium of us and put us at ease, it would save him a lot of bother.

I promise you, it would.

Right now, I'm not prepared to vote at all.

yep whoopdeedoo,
and if anything elitism will increase as only those who can afford private will send their kids.
when our 1st went it was around £18,000 per year. If the vat is passed on it will be £30,000 next year and thats a day school.
so in the next 5 years numbers will drop, revenue will drop and the state will be educating thousands more children.

Trust me the threat to your child’s education and every child with SEN is the Tories not labour. All children with SEN have been outrageously let down by the Tories and they are far more likely to have a better chance under a labour government.