To not see how the gov will make any money from taxing private schools?

[AngryHedgehog]

All the other threads seem to have descended into bunfighting over the ethics of the policy, yet I'm not really understanding how this stands to benefit the government as surely they'll be footing the bill for all the kids that move to state schools?

As a disclaimer, I don't have kids and wouldn't be able to afford to privately educate them even if I did, despite earning a half decent salary.

I'm reading that it costs around £7k per pupil per term, so it would take the VAT from around four families to fund each additional child moving to state education.

Given that this may be 4/10 kids in private education moving to state schooling, I don't see how this doesn't create a net loss as there will only be 50% more kids left in private education and there needs to be multiple times that for the VAT increase to foot the bill.

Surely I'm missing something here?

Really? Have you not seen the threads, the appeals, the concerns about getting into the right state school?

Is this a shining example of Socialist Education for all?

Lesson 1! Not exactly bringing people with you, is it?

There seem to be about a million threads on this.
Nearly all private school pupils are well, there is research. Nearly all will continue in the private sector. There is a decline in pupils in state schools as the birth rate has fallen. There is plenty of spaces for any children who love from private to state.

@YourPinkDog falling birth rate is impacting the earlier years in Primary school, there are bulge years in many Secondary schools at the moment. And the falling rolls are not distributed evenly

I’ve been looking at schools for DD and have family who work in private schools across the country - not one of them is charging 20% extra to parents, they’re all making cuts to absorb as much as they can. When push comes to shove I don’t think it’ll affect as many parents as the media are making out (hard to think why our traditionally quite right wing press would focus on the downsides though)

So tell me why many, many state mainstream schools refused my SEN daughter?

@SpudleyLass legally the LA have to give your DD a school place. They do not have to give you the school you want.

Why would they continue to operate free services to the community when their own school community is being taxed on education - which btw, is a first ever in Europe. They would hire the facilities just as state schools do, to create additional funds for the school.

@Nottodaythankyou123 how sustainable is that?

Indeed. They did refuse the state school I wanted. They granted us, instead, a private setting.

Couldn't agree more!!!! All the parties are headline grabbing at the minute, and not telling us at all how they will actually benefit us.

PM's should be held accountable for the promises they make during an election campaign.

What on MN? MN is the only place I’ve heard anybody mention concern about VAT on private schools. It’s not exactly your average demographic or a big one at that. MN is full of privately educating parents and those spending hours frothing over “ the right school” . It’s also London and SEcentric.

If the figure in the op more to state and there’s no extra funding, but ex private take places in the best state schools. How is it helping?

Well if they granted you a private setting you will be exempt from VAT as it’s presumably named in an EHCP

They won’t move to state because many are probably not necessarily in the catchment for good state. If they are not they will have to spend money to buy and they would bring in huge income to the inland revenue for stamp duty and transactional and other purchases etc - more money for schools eventually.

Because the state already pays for DD's school place.

But we don't know for sure everything will be ok as Labour refuse to talk to SEN parents about the issue. Twats.

I doubt it. Just more competition for best state and displaced dc

I would imagine that she has high or complex needs and to accept would interfere in the efficiency education of others. It’s done on an efficiency test I believe.

Rarely do mainstreams refuse to accept so she must have had particular needs.

As if ALL the kids will suddenly move to state school. You’re being ridiculous op.

Because they do that to claim charitable status which is nothing to do with VAT. They won't want to lose that.

What if she is Scottish? How will they exempt pupils with SEN placed in independent schools by the council in Scotland?

But thats my point. Y'all ready to take my daughter's, admittedly expensive, school place away from her, but acknowledge State would not jump to admitting her,

No school would take her at all in 2023. Mostly state schools, btw.

Btw, she has only been full time at her current school since March 8.

You complain about education inequality but your kids have likely at least have had consistent education for a time. Not so for my daughter.

And why should mainstream state schools be allowed to refuse on needs, if it means the child in question is without education full stop?

This is exactly why the only school that did accept is Independent!

Nobody is talking about removing children from schools where they are being funded by the state.