To not see how the gov will make any money from taxing private schools?

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All the other threads seem to have descended into bunfighting over the ethics of the policy, yet I'm not really understanding how this stands to benefit the government as surely they'll be footing the bill for all the kids that move to state schools?

As a disclaimer, I don't have kids and wouldn't be able to afford to privately educate them even if I did, despite earning a half decent salary.

I'm reading that it costs around £7k per pupil per term, so it would take the VAT from around four families to fund each additional child moving to state education.

Given that this may be 4/10 kids in private education moving to state schooling, I don't see how this doesn't create a net loss as there will only be 50% more kids left in private education and there needs to be multiple times that for the VAT increase to foot the bill.

Surely I'm missing something here?

Well I certainly don't know what you're banging on about, maybe that's my lack of understanding of basic facts.

You can only count the increase in stamp duty due to increased demand and you must also offset this against any decrease due to reduced demand in houses sold in what is now outside catchment.

And even if Labour manage to recruit 6,500 additional teachers, over third of newly qualified teachers leave within 5 years of qualifying

And so can many other people. Tutoring is a small enough amount you can do an extra shift to cover or DIY tutor, there is so much online. People on benefits get help with transport and most people have to pay for transport post 16 anyway. It’s all an awful lot more doable than the £100k a year the poster below is paying for 2 children.

Probably!

Crikey. While it's good that you're honest about your dislike of, well, most people, have you considered the possibility that this isn't the 'politics of envy' but that some of us would actually like a fair and equitable society where problems such as knife crime are actually dealt with at the source instead of by turning the country into 'have' and 'have not' ghettoes? Which is basically what's happened under the last government.

How nice.

In addition I think it’s madness to disrupt private teachers and hope they’ll switch over

For some the sectors will be a different prospect

So if tutoring is affordable to many people, why is there such a huge discrepancy between the number of children on FSM in grammar schools as there are in other state secondaries @Uplift

There are a number of ways that any progressive government that invests in the state sector could remedy that particular problem. Granted it's an issue that the last 14 years of running down the state sector have meant that teaching is a hideously unattractive profession for most people.

Sorry, I'm not that high and mighty. I want what's best for my boy and my immediate concern is for him and my family's finances.

There are a host of reasons, aspiration being one. Grammars are reaching out to PP children now. The grammar system needs to go but that is a whole other thread.

Ok so you can pay for it.

I will be. Considerably. It's the artificial increase in cost driven by ideological envy that I resent. I'm angry about it. Yes I'll pay, but it doesn't make it right.

Ah well the majority of the country are angry about the unfair advantages and privilege private education brings so 🤷‍♀️

Why?

It's not the fault of the state schools.

The majority of the country are angry about the unfair advantage children in particular state schools have over children in other state schools.

So rinsing hard working middle earners that want the best for their children is going to achieve that? Increase income tax, decrease benefits, remove the triple lock, borrow more money. All options to better fund the state system. Raiding private school fees is nothing more than an ideological attack.

Christ on a bike, another pretzel thread.

If someone who could afford to spend £7k sending their kid to private school can't now afford an extra £1.2k they couldn't afford the school in the first place. If you're foregoing holidays, cars, weekends out, takeaways to be able to afford private school, just wtf? If you're still shelling out for foreign holidays, cars etc, you've got bandwidth to pay the extra 20%. Private school is a choice, just like flashier cars than a standard hatchback are, and big holidays instead of staycations.

Just think what all those £7ks will do for state school funding :)

I can't work out the maths either and have actually tried because was offered a job. Seems like a very silly policy, like maths and conscription.

They’re really not. They’re pissed off about the inequality and unfairness that private education causes in all walks of life. Sick and tired of the lack of levelling up.

What are you suggesting here? They’ll spend the 7k on state

In fact where’s the 7k from?

Pretzel post maybe

My dd will stay at her private school until the next natural exit point. I suspect most of her friends will too. But what will happen is that I will no longer use a cleaner, I will take less holidays, not eat out in cafes etc, reduce my charity giving. I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for me, but there will be a knock on effect to these small businesses and charities.

Nothing is what it will do. If there is anything left of the money after state schools take on those pushed over the edge of private school affordability, it will be wasted by procurement agencies and consultants rolling out the latest education secretary's pet project.

Middle class people who are stretching themselves can probably afford to stretch a bit more

Downgrade your car and drop a holiday

Rich people will carry on being rich

Maybe some poorer and disadvantaged kids will benefit