To not see how the gov will make any money from taxing private schools?

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All the other threads seem to have descended into bunfighting over the ethics of the policy, yet I'm not really understanding how this stands to benefit the government as surely they'll be footing the bill for all the kids that move to state schools?

As a disclaimer, I don't have kids and wouldn't be able to afford to privately educate them even if I did, despite earning a half decent salary.

I'm reading that it costs around £7k per pupil per term, so it would take the VAT from around four families to fund each additional child moving to state education.

Given that this may be 4/10 kids in private education moving to state schooling, I don't see how this doesn't create a net loss as there will only be 50% more kids left in private education and there needs to be multiple times that for the VAT increase to foot the bill.

Surely I'm missing something here?

Yep. What does it mean anyway? All poorer outcomes across the board

Why not attempt to improve state rather than take away the good education from some

Goodness, Conservative HQ are out in force today.

If you think state education is so poor in this country, why are you actively arguing that less tax should be paid to the Treasury? Surely you'd want the Treasury to receive more money so that state-educated kids have the same opportunities as private school-educated kids?

Which of course is the exact opposite of what most people on here really want.

Yep and the parents who can no longer afford to send their kids to private school if the fees are hiked by 20% are not the ones who will be able to pay premium house prices in the most desirable school catchment areas either.

@horseyhorsey17 this policy is more than likely going to cost the Government in the long run. What I don't understand why are posters not arguing that more needs to be done for state schools and why is Labour only talking about this policy which isn't going to help anyone

Because per the thread op the tax impacts behaviour and there won’t be extra funding

That’s the problem

I’d welcome higher per pupil state funding which is actually not that hard given falling rolls

@horseyhorsey17 they will be able to pay for tutors to help get into grammars or transport to get out of catchment schools.

Why wouldn’t they be? They would now have an extra £20k x number of children per year to pay on their mortgage.

Every time something is not pro Labour

I mean are you Labour HQ?

It won't cost them. It's popular with the 93% of people who don't send their kids to private school and don't particularly like the fact that private school kids get benefits that their kids don't, and it'll actually only affect less than 7% of the people in private schools anyway, so doesn't mean a massive influx into the state sector. It's a win-win for a future Labour government.

There is no need for extra SEN schools for all the kids in private education and clearly people have no idea how the SEN system works. Only those with really high needs get specialist places and frankly those types of kids are not wanted in private school. Moreover the specialist skills required means that kids with those needs would be better off in section 41 specialist schools which are not mainstream private. A bit of dyslexia etc won’t cut it.

Seriously the same people were objecting to high needs people having PIP and are now justifying no vat on school fees!

Well, I'll definitely be voting for them. If anything, this thread has confirmed how much I dislike the two-tier educational system in this country.

I have no doubt there

But you haven’t taken on board any posts about behaviour and lack of funding

@Noras there is a need for more special schools and there is a need for more SEND funding in state schools

Funding can always be increased - Labour are promising to do that anyway.

I don't know what you mean about behaviour.

You have very little idea of SEN. There are many children with SEN who cannot cope in large mainstream schools with 30 children in a class who gain EHCP placements in mainstream independent schools.

@horseyhorsey17 and what is this policy doing about 2 tier education? The likes of Eton aren’t going anywhere. The super selective grammars aren’t going anywhere. The sink schools aren’t going anywhere

There is an existing need

The influx of private school kids won’t make a difference to the appalling lack of higher needs specialist places - private schools don’t have those type of kids.

The op sets out the figure for how many will move

This means there won’t be extra funding

@horseyhorsey17 where have Labour said they are increasing funding?

I don't know what you mean about behaviour.

I suggest you start by reading up on the Laffer curve, there are criticisms of it but it is a good place to start.

I actually think you're banging your head against a brick wall with the horsey poster above because they are persisting with this misconception that state school families are missing out on a "benefit" and they demonstrate such lack of understanding about basic facts.

In reality the parents won’t all get houses in the best catchment areas and if they did lots of stamp duty the the revenue at tens or hundreds of pounds a pop - keeping lawyers estate agents and decorators very happy as well as the inland revenue. One sale of a house is enough stamp duty to fund that kid in state school plus all the other services paying VAT

Two tier is better than a one tier shite system where getting an education is a lottery down to disruptive kids, lack of caring parents and gangs of stabby little fuckers that will stick a knife in someone at any perceived "diss".

For me, the fees are justifiable to be away from the children of parents who don't give a shit and in a place where learning and ambition are encouraged, and where the worst they'll get in is a fist fight, not chased by knife wielding murderous bastards.

I'll do what I can to ensure my boy gets that opportunity and I resent anyone trying to take that away from him out of envy of our moderate success- the result of our own hard bastard work. And blaming those middle earners who's ridiculous tax bill funds these comprehensives

And that helps education for dc who get displaced to another school how?