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for being upset as my dh has retired early (at 60) and expects me to keep working until 60 too, even though he is 10 years older than me

542 replies

MrsPuddle · 29/05/2024 12:53

I dont particularly enjoy my job or it would be ok, but now he is 65 and I am 55, I am getting resentful as he is out and about enjoying himself, going on lads holidays etc and I am stuck at home behind a screen. I just cant do this for another 5 years, but he cant see the problem. If we wait until I am 60 he will be 70 and he will be older and who knows, maybe not well, and not inclined to be active with me. We will have enough money, if we just tighten out belts in retirement. Has anyone else faced this issue with an older partner? thanks

OP posts:
Pepsiisbetterthancoke · 29/05/2024 18:24

MrsPuddle · 29/05/2024 18:15

Theres no pension, we live off my income. But last month he hit 65 and now has a pension. Its not big, hence the belt tightening if I stop.

So he didn’t retire early, he lost his job and didn’t get another one between 60-65?

You are both at fault by not being prepared for a joint retirement

There are 10 years between my mum and dad and my dad worked longer to allow my mum to retire earlier. Thats what planning and having a balanced relationship is about

fieldsofbutterflies · 29/05/2024 18:24

MrsPuddle · 29/05/2024 17:55

yes, and I couldnt have predicted my feelings or redundancy, which is my point.

Logic and emotion two different things.

Yes, I know all that, but it seems like you never bothered to talk about it at all. Not when you dropped to PT hours, not when he was approaching retirement, not even when he retired Confused

Retirement is a huge thing for most people and should be talked about way in advance. You knew you had an age gap and that he'd be retiring first, so it baffles me that neither of you ever talked about it or made any plans for it.

Elphame · 29/05/2024 18:25

yellowtwo · 29/05/2024 18:10

Mumsnet is bizzare sometimes. I don't know many 20 year olds who are having conversations with their partners about pension plans.Confused

What does he say when you try to discuss it OP? Have you mentioned that you changed career when you had children and your pension is smaller because of it?

Well to be honest they should! Especially if there is a big difference in age or financial/career potential positions.

Long term plans and expectations should be discussed once a relationship has become serious. Just like whether or not children are on the agenda for either or both parties and the likely timescale.

A big age gap us not something to be entered into lightly. I may have to be DP's carer one day but I knew this when I agreed to a life partnership with him. He supported me financially when the DC were small and it was all part of the contract between us. Life didn't go quite according to plan financially (unexpected redundancy for him and a very inconvenient relocation for me) but we were enough on the same page to roll with it and delay our retirements.

Too many people are financially naive when entering into relationships.

Westfacing · 29/05/2024 18:25

MrsPuddle · 29/05/2024 18:15

Theres no pension, we live off my income. But last month he hit 65 and now has a pension. Its not big, hence the belt tightening if I stop.

So for five years he lived off your income until his pension kicked-in at 65?

beergiggles · 29/05/2024 18:26

So OP has paid work and they both live off the money from that.
He has a pension and spends that on himself?
Have I got that right?
Does he do any of the domestic work, do we know?

fieldsofbutterflies · 29/05/2024 18:26

MrsPuddle · 29/05/2024 18:15

Theres no pension, we live off my income. But last month he hit 65 and now has a pension. Its not big, hence the belt tightening if I stop.

Well, that's a dripfeed if there ever was one!

Pepsiisbetterthancoke · 29/05/2024 18:27

yellowtwo · 29/05/2024 18:10

Mumsnet is bizzare sometimes. I don't know many 20 year olds who are having conversations with their partners about pension plans.Confused

What does he say when you try to discuss it OP? Have you mentioned that you changed career when you had children and your pension is smaller because of it?

A lot of that is because financial education in this country is shocking. Can be seen on a lot of threads on here by the amount of people who have little understanding of taxes, mortgages and pensions and think they are safe by combining all money together

As couples plan any finances it should be long term and not just about the next short term milestone

Runsyd · 29/05/2024 18:30

If you took the hit pension-wise because you had kids, then your DH is being absolutely feckin' outrageous. How dare he not see what he accrued off the back of your domestic labour is yours too! Other posters are right, you'd be better off divorced - not only would you get half the assets, including his pension, but you'd be free of caring for him when he's older.

I'd make this very, very clear to him.

Summerflames · 29/05/2024 18:30

beergiggles · 29/05/2024 13:04

I think you need to be careful op, by the time you get to retirement age he will start having health issues and he will expect you to be his carer. You'll go straight from working for money to looking after him.
In other words there will be no freedom for you.

Not rtft but that's the point of marriage vows. In sickness and in health

TomatoSandwiches · 29/05/2024 18:33

Just divorce him and look after yourself op, sounds like he has used you for years and years and likes it all his own way.

Mockingjay123 · 29/05/2024 18:36

It doesn’t sound as though living off dhs pension is realistic. At 65 he won’t even be getting state pension yet, just his private one which you have said is not big. I think if it was easily affordable for you both to live well off his pension, he’d already have suggested it.

diddl · 29/05/2024 18:40

So you managed on your wage for 5yrs but he won't let you manage on his pension for 5yrs until you also get yours?

VisitationRights · 29/05/2024 18:40

Why isn’t he working? Why hasn’t he worked for the last five years? Why has he been living off your wages? At 70 he may not be active for you. Will he begrudge you going on jollies with your friends while he sits at home yelling at clouds? Or will he have spent all your money by then? This doesn’t sound very equitable.

Ginmonkeyagain · 29/05/2024 18:40

Well that changes things! So he didn't retire at 60, he was unemployed!

Why didn't he get a job, any job would have been better than nothing.

greenpolarbear · 29/05/2024 18:41

beergiggles · 29/05/2024 13:01

I wouldn't feel too happy if my partner was off on a jolly all the time while I was working.
I would stop doing any housework stop doing anything that facilitates him.
I would focus on my earning potential and focus on doing things that help me to recover from the stress of being stuck working while he's away whooping it up!

he has a right to enjoy his retirement, he could be dead soon, you never know what's around the corner. my dad didn't even make it to retirement, not everyone does.

fieldsofbutterflies · 29/05/2024 18:41

yellowtwo · 29/05/2024 18:10

Mumsnet is bizzare sometimes. I don't know many 20 year olds who are having conversations with their partners about pension plans.Confused

What does he say when you try to discuss it OP? Have you mentioned that you changed career when you had children and your pension is smaller because of it?

That's because financial education in this country is practically nonexistent, sadly.

Hateam · 29/05/2024 18:42

MrsPuddle · 29/05/2024 13:08

Ah well I thought marriage was a partnership and you share? If I had said I wanted to take time out to look after the kids, (I didnt) I wonder if thats more acceptable?

Marriage is a partnership, it is about sharing.

But it's about sharing the tedious, dull things as well as the nice things.

You can't cherry pick.

You can't decide to share taking money out of the pension pot and also decide to not share putting money in.

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/05/2024 18:42

greenpolarbear · 29/05/2024 18:41

he has a right to enjoy his retirement, he could be dead soon, you never know what's around the corner. my dad didn't even make it to retirement, not everyone does.

Edited

He hasn't been retired, he has been unemployed for 5 years whilst living off the OP.

Holluschickie · 29/05/2024 18:44

Massive dripfeed. Such a confusing thread.

VisitationRights · 29/05/2024 18:44

Hateam · 29/05/2024 18:42

Marriage is a partnership, it is about sharing.

But it's about sharing the tedious, dull things as well as the nice things.

You can't cherry pick.

You can't decide to share taking money out of the pension pot and also decide to not share putting money in.

He hasn’t been putting money in for 5 years! He chose to be unemployed for the past five years until his pension kicked in.

TinySmol · 29/05/2024 18:44

Well, it's not great, is it?

Is he doing his fair share at home? If not, he should be and more, now that he's retired.

It doesn't sound like you're a team. It doesn't sound like he's given much thought for you still working while he's off enjoying himself.

I'd pull right back on the wifework and cooking.

PickledMumion · 29/05/2024 18:45

You've already been supporting him for the last 5 years. If there's 10 years between you, I think stopping 5 years before him seems like a fair compromise. Probably finding something part time, and/or something more enjoyable would be an even better solution.

I would be upset if my husband didn't want to spend the healthiest years of his retirement with me. Statistically you're the one more likely to end up doing some caring for him. It would be really miserable if you slogged another 5 years through a job you hate, only to retire and move straight onto caring for a now ailing husband. (I understand that 70 is not exactly elderly! He may well have another 20 fairly healthy years. But he may not. What is certain is that you're both in a place right now where you could enjoy spending time together)

Winnading · 29/05/2024 18:49

SwedeCarrotLimes · 29/05/2024 14:45

God forbid he has some fun with his friends! He's still an individual and is entilted to go on trips or abroad with someone other than his wife!

Do the PP who think OP should retire think she should have retired at 50 at the same time as DH? I doubt it.

And as for the arguement of her ending up being his carer. Well by that rational he'll eventually die and she'll have plenty of time to enjoy his pension for many years to come.. and women live on average 4 years longer

But she will potentially give up many years of her early retirement to caring, then she may have the extra 4 years too late to do the same travelling as she could well need caring for.

OddBoots · 29/05/2024 18:53

I'd advise anyone in a couple planning their retirement to calculate not only if they can live on their joint pensions but also to work out what each would get when one of them dies, and if that would be enough for them to live alone.

So many couples have one person with a much bigger pension than the other and if that person is the first to die it leaves the widowed one in a difficult position.

diddl · 29/05/2024 18:53

So are you still paying all the bills & he's spending his pension on himself?