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Work event.. left me out of the planning

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Notthattimeofthemonth · 28/05/2024 10:21

We have a work day out next month and they have asked us to bring in a baby picture and they are going to guess who’s who to get us all networking.

I’m the only black person out of 126 people going so wouldn’t take them very long to guess who’s who.

im trying to calm down before I address this as I’m currently infuriated.

how on earth do I proceed with this in the correct way..

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ExasperatedManager · 28/05/2024 16:49

ManchesterLu · 28/05/2024 16:39

I actually think it's the opposite. Not everyone sees race, and the organisers perhaps just planned it without thinking, because someone's race isn't a big deal to them.

What do you mean by "not everyone sees race"? Of course people see it, unless they are blind, in which case they wouldn't be participating in this kind of ice breaker anyway.

Some people might not think about race or consider it to be a "big deal", but that is typically evidence of their own privilege - they don't think about it because they have never had to think about it. That is the very essence of white privilege. That doesn't mean that they don't see race, it just means that they're blissfully unaware of the structural racism that is evident in so many parts of our society.

Ignorance and a lack of awareness are not sufficient justification in my view for choosing an icebreaker that will inevitably be "othering" for some participants. The fact that they may have planned it without thinking is really no excuse... they should have been thinking, so why weren't they?

godmum56 · 28/05/2024 17:11

Notthattimeofthemonth · 28/05/2024 10:21

We have a work day out next month and they have asked us to bring in a baby picture and they are going to guess who’s who to get us all networking.

I’m the only black person out of 126 people going so wouldn’t take them very long to guess who’s who.

im trying to calm down before I address this as I’m currently infuriated.

how on earth do I proceed with this in the correct way..

I am white so I can't say i know how you feel but in similar circs I'd be incredulously angrily amused....also a bit eyeroll because FFS who still does this crap any more? I think I'd raise it before the event if I was feeling kind or you could walk in with a tiger grin and pin up a picture of yourself then let the organiser realise what they had done 😈

Beautiful3 · 28/05/2024 17:22

DecafCanEffOff · 28/05/2024 14:22

Please, pale blonde white lady, do continue explaining to the black woman what she should/should not be offended by.

Most staff are brown/black and I was in the minority. It's the same thing! I wish people would stop being so offended. 🙄

Sleepychicken · 28/05/2024 17:22

I did this ice breaker once and was immediately identified because I was the only one young enough to have a coloured photograph 🤣

HuongVuong3 · 28/05/2024 17:24

Sleepychicken · 28/05/2024 17:22

I did this ice breaker once and was immediately identified because I was the only one young enough to have a coloured photograph 🤣

Lol!

And in my case I was identified first as I'm the only red head. 😆

ittakes2 · 28/05/2024 17:25

I am sorry I think you are over thinking the baby photo - I would be more concerned about the lack of diversity at your work place though!

DressOrSkirt · 28/05/2024 17:35

I think YABU. We did this at work recently and most pictures were very easy to guess due to distinguishing features (ginger hair, beauty spot etc). It's an ice breaker, not supposed to be hard, just to show a cute/funny photo.

LadyinLavende · 28/05/2024 17:42

SerendipityJane · 28/05/2024 10:43

Personally, I'd take in a picture of a white baby, and then let them squirm as they try to ask "is that really you" without actually asking it. To which the correct answer is "Yes. Why where do you think I really come from ?"

But that's because I am old and fed up to the back teeth of casual misogyny, racism and ageism, and don't see why I should be the one to blush.

Incidentally, there would be no way for anyone to know if anyone else was using a spurious photograph. Which suggests the event has been planned by a fluffy HR department.

Oops, busted!
I have had two of these events foist on me in the past six months (one at work) and have on both occasions provided a baby photo of my half sister: nobody has been any the wiser (and some people have even guessed "correctly" that it was my photo).
But we don't have any black staff members : in your company's case it really doesn't seem to have been thought through properly........... I like the idea of providing five photos of black babies: choose celebs and you don't even have to include one of you if you want to really make the point.

sweetpickle2 · 28/05/2024 17:44

BustyLaRoux · 28/05/2024 16:40

Bugger! I quoted the wrong quote!!!! It was meant to be quoting you @sweetpickle2
Please do help me understand why it is racist. I can see it’s not right but I don’t quite get why….

Incase the previous 10 pages haven't made it clear enough-

OP is the only Black employee of 125. There is a excruciating lack of diversity in a company that supposedly crows about its EDI efforts. Then, to top it off, the company wants to indulge in a stupid icebreaker that will simply highlight the lack of diversity and other the Black individual.

Telling the OP it's a harmless game and that they need to stop getting offended is a microaggression. Racism doesn't have to be loud and intentional to be racist- microwaggressions are often subtle and unintentional.

SwingVote · 28/05/2024 17:46

sweetpickle2 · 28/05/2024 17:44

Incase the previous 10 pages haven't made it clear enough-

OP is the only Black employee of 125. There is a excruciating lack of diversity in a company that supposedly crows about its EDI efforts. Then, to top it off, the company wants to indulge in a stupid icebreaker that will simply highlight the lack of diversity and other the Black individual.

Telling the OP it's a harmless game and that they need to stop getting offended is a microaggression. Racism doesn't have to be loud and intentional to be racist- microwaggressions are often subtle and unintentional.

Perhaps that’s the silver lining. When OP is the only black baby amongst a sea of white it’s a conversation for sure. She will without a doubt be the first one chosen and it might make everyone realise the lack of diversity!

ItsFuckingBoringFeedingEveryoneUntilYouDie · 28/05/2024 17:47

HidingHereForTomorrow · 28/05/2024 15:58

So 125 people have to miss out on a fun activity because 1 person doesn’t like it?

No. 126 people can take part in an alternative 'fun' activity that doesn't single out the one person whose skin is a completely different tone to the other 125.
This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

muggart · 28/05/2024 17:48

ginasevern · 28/05/2024 15:16

@muggart

"OP, just an idea but you could cut and paste several black babies into a single photo with you and tell them you didn't want to make it too easy so they have to guess which one is you ... that might be a nice way of addressing it with good humour while pointing out the obvious."

Or maybe she could dress up as a black and white minstrel and sing Swanee River, that should get everyone laughing. Why in god's name should the OP have to do something completely different to everyone else? Why should she have to highlight their total lack of awareness with subservient good humour?

Good humour need not be subservient and of course she doesn’t “have” to do anything she doesn’t want to do.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 28/05/2024 17:50

I hate this icebreaker… it’s a bad one for many reasons including the OP’s situation. It can also be bad for anyone…who’s had a fire and lost all their baby pictures, was adopted as a young child, in a foster home as a baby, or don’t have any for other reasons.

(I don’t have any of me as a baby because my sister took all the family photos after my mum died).

There will also be a fair amount of people that won’t be able to provide one because they don’t want to be bothered with digging one out of the shoebox in the back of their closet.

Remember not everyone’s life started in the digital age

ginasevern · 28/05/2024 17:53

muggart · 28/05/2024 17:48

Good humour need not be subservient and of course she doesn’t “have” to do anything she doesn’t want to do.

If this was about sexism in the workplace or the "othering" of a female employee amongst 126 men and the advice was to "address it with good humour" there would be outrage (rightly so) on Mumsnet.

ThereAreNoSloesOnThere · 28/05/2024 17:54

Whatever happened to the concept that people go to work to work. With none of this stupid games and forced participation for laughs and jollity nonsense. Maybe once a quarter a bonding trip to the pub for those who wish to go.

I truly cannot stand this sort of crap. And it's usually an HR nightmare as well.

Foodusername · 28/05/2024 17:54

olympicsrock · 28/05/2024 10:26

I honestly think you are overreacting here.
It’s One activity to get people talking.

I disagree. I think this is thoughtless and one of the many ways people of colour are made to feel ‘othered’. Whilst not done in a mean spirited way, I do think it is not considerate of diversity.

BustyLaRoux · 28/05/2024 17:57

Incase the previous 10 pages haven't made it clear enough wow ok @sweetpickle2 i really wanted to have a conversation to aid my understanding but you’re just being rude. I’m not even gonna read your shitty post now.

Ifyoucouldreadmymindlove · 28/05/2024 18:02

Cornflakes44 · 28/05/2024 12:40

I don't understand why you're upset about this. It's not like the there's a massive prize at stake for the one who doesn't get guessed. Whenever we've done this, it's very obvious who is who and that's part of the fun. You could tackle the issue head on and make a joke out of it if you think it will be awkward but I think bringing up EDI and implying they are racist for suggesting this game is an overreaction.

Sooooo ignorant…, 🤦🏼‍♀️

HolidayAddict23 · 28/05/2024 18:05

Massively overthinking

Lamelie · 28/05/2024 18:12

Notthattimeofthemonth · 28/05/2024 10:29

This probably isn’t the best place for me to ask. My mistake

Sorry, it isn’t. Mumsnet is remarkably tone deaf when it comes to EEDI and work.
I run team days and events and would never suggest such an activity. Not just because of race but because some people don’t have baby photos. You have two choices, you could suggest they scrap the activity but that would definitely shine the spotlights on you as pp would probably work out you’d objected or participate and also point out that this was ill thought through.
I hope you’re ok, the initial event and some of the responses here must have been quite jarring.
Flowers

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entiawest · 28/05/2024 18:18

A poor idea in so many ways... people could have an identifying facial birth mark or an obvious disability... it's not simply about colour of skin

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 28/05/2024 18:21
  1. They haven't left you out.

  2. It would be the same for any white employee if they were the only one with bright ginger hair.

Supply three or four pictures of other black babies among your family or friends, so they still have to guess.

SanctusInDistress · 28/05/2024 18:23

ThereAreNoSloesOnThere · 28/05/2024 17:54

Whatever happened to the concept that people go to work to work. With none of this stupid games and forced participation for laughs and jollity nonsense. Maybe once a quarter a bonding trip to the pub for those who wish to go.

I truly cannot stand this sort of crap. And it's usually an HR nightmare as well.

Bravo! Absolutely, nothing worse than enforced ‘don’t we all love each other’. When I was younger I’d choose to go to the pub. As I’m older now I prefer to go home. During the day, I’d rather get on with my job than be forced into bonding activities that only mean I have fewer hours to get the job done.

Notsuchafattynow · 28/05/2024 18:26

'Back in the day' we used to do these all the time. However, we've stopped doing them, as we're aware if you're the only person of colour, you'll stand out for the wrong reasons. We also stopped as if photo's could also be black and white or have that 70s orange tinge which again, could single people out.

There are so many ice breakers, dropping the baby photo one, is no loss.