To think schools should get with the times re working parents.

[working8til4]

Why can't they be open 8-6 for everyone? It would help reduce gender inequality in the work place

AIBU - DON'T BE SILLY
YANBU - actually you have a point

Where we lived overseas, wrap around covered two hours before school 630 to 0830 (playground supervised from 830). Then three hours after school until 6. So it would work with nursing morning shifts starting at 7 (we had three shifts at the care home i was at), but not finishing late.

Yes - but for most people they do act as childcare. Op has a point why is the working day 9-5 but school only 9-3pm?

Because primary school children (i.e. the ones young enough to actually need child care) shouldn't be in school 9-5. It's too much. They need childcare, not more school. So childminders ot wraparound on the school site (but not provided by teachers, who are there to teacglh and have mountains of prep and marking to do after 3pm.

Some parents may need before school care, some after, some a bit of both. If it was open but not compulsory, only some of the children arriving at opening would be there until closing.

Some people think nobody would want the wraparound care jobs - which clearly isn't true, as many schools have such systems.

I haven't personally seen anyone say nobody does, although it's possible I missed it. Lots of us have said the jobs are unpopular though, which is empirically true. As the person who's made that point probably most often in this thread, it's not that nobody would want them. It's that there is a substantial gap between some people wanting them and there being enough people wanting them for all schools to be able to offer what OP thinks they should

There have been several posters who've claimed that because some schools in the UK offer the wraparound OP wants, and some societies do a better job of it than us, that must tell us something about the practicalities of expanding it here. Which is wrong.

I purposely haven't read the full thread but firstly, it isn't supposed to be childcare, it's for education. However my major gripe with school is that if they want you for anything they expect you to just waltz out of work at the drop of a hat, usually for something that can be sorted out over a phone call. The teachers can't just leave a lesson mid way through, unless for an emergency so why they expect us to if we are working is beyond me. I don't mean if my child is ill, or any other emergency, that's different and work wouldn't get a look in then!

OK sorry. Every school I've worked at does provide this, so I thought OP must have meant something different.

OP I think that's a reasonable offering to expect for all schools, bar those with a small pupil roll. Supply and demand are still fundamental.

Including supply and demand of workers!

Fair enough yes. In my area there is ONE school that offers wrap around out of 5. And they have a wait list.

I've not seen anyone deriding the suggestion or saying it's ridiculous. Pointing out holes in a plan and giving real life context adds to the discussion.

Somebody has definitely said this. I cba scrolling through the entire thread trying to find it again though.

Of course they may simply have been trolling.

Our primary had dedicated wraparound staff, along with a couple of TA and dinner ladies, etc, doing some days who probably wanted to make some extra money.

Ok. Maybe one person has, and obviously it's wrong.

But the fundamental point remains that OP is assuming there would be people available to fill the roles. She's not shown any working out at all on this, or even given a vague explanation. Meanwhile, pretty much all school based roles are facing a recruitment problem. It's not enough to just say that some places manage to do it and that means they call can.

We can’t find people willing to apply for TA jobs when it’s 8.45-3.15 and their children are in our school!

Trying to find anyone wanting to do before/after school term time only, is even worse. If people have kids, they are giving them breakfast/dinner at home at that time. If they don’t, they don’t want low paid, term time only, very inflexible jobs at really inconvenient times.

So, for the ONE child who we have that currently has after school childcare in place on a Friday , we would need two members of staff ( even at minimum wage that would be £25 per hour between them) and an additional £10 per hour hall hire we charge. So £35 an hour. From 3.15 to , for ease, 6.15. That's 3 hours. So £105 minimum we would need to charge to cover costs.
Can't see many people paying that!

This. Have you not been listening to the lemming-like exit of teachers?

And yet so many schools do make use of their premises with out of school camps. And many really think outside the box and open up as car parks if they live near a place that has events like a school near Heaton Park in Manchester. And I've seen schools using their playing fields for camping and caravanning over the summer and opening the gym for them to use showers and toilets.
It once was government policy to make schools community hubs.
But then there were always the naysayers when I was on the primary school PTA overruling why you couldn't hold a disco for the kids in their own school hall
Oh and thanks for the lecture by the way. You assume so much.

Society worked fine with one working parent until feminism stuffed it up for everyone.

Er ok , you do realise other people can have a different opinion to you yes?

I do not think schools should be 8 till 6 but schools should be open that time with wrap around care easily available... the government spends so much on childcare to get people to work that money could be invested in schools.to provide this at s much lower cost...
I would also find it easier.to have one place my children could go to instead of arranging a morning childcare and drop off.and evening pick up.and childcare.
I also think there should be a 4 day week every fortnight allowing children to have extra free time or play time where that be in the what I would call.play school or.home.

What is this feminism in your opinion that stuffed it up for everyone?

Well, there's a thought

Do you fancy it?

Not everyone actually wants to work with children (because the pay will still be shit for a start)

Where do they staff work whilst others are using the space?

When do the cleaners clean?

So there is a school with wraparound near you....

No one said you should abort due to lack of wraparound. But if you know school is going to be an issue you have 4 years to prepare (at least), by moving, finding a childminder, changing jobs, organising a family member to help.
It's not like school hours are sprung on you out of nowhere.

Where's the money coming from?

Well if you're stretched already, paying higher taxes for this care may not help you