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To think schools should get with the times re working parents.

818 replies

working8til4 · 24/05/2024 20:31

Why can't they be open 8-6 for everyone? It would help reduce gender inequality in the work place

AIBU - DON'T BE SILLY
YANBU - actually you have a point

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WoshPank · 27/05/2024 11:59

Sadly, any time anyone ever dares to discuss a wraparound childcare problem on here, there's always a parade of smug posters embarrassing themselves by saying she should've planned ahead. As though anyone can predict the exact availability of local childcare for a decade.

OP hasn't exactly helped herself in this case. But probably it would've happened even if she weren't BU.

ichundich · 27/05/2024 12:02

LondonQueen · 27/05/2024 05:55

I'm a teacher, all my colleagues are leaving in droves and I will be too if the kids are in 8-6! When do you propose we do planning, marking etc?

Maybe read the OP. She hasn't said anywhere that teachers should provide the wraparound care. Or are you ignoring it because it doesn't fit quite with teachers portraying themselves as the most hardworking profession there is!

RheaRend · 27/05/2024 12:20

ichundich · 27/05/2024 12:02

Maybe read the OP. She hasn't said anywhere that teachers should provide the wraparound care. Or are you ignoring it because it doesn't fit quite with teachers portraying themselves as the most hardworking profession there is!

Teachers will be required to - who covers sickness, lack of childcare for the staff etc?

We can't mark and prepare when kids are under our feet...can we?

No one is saying they work the hardest of all other professions, however, when ppl call teachers lazy they have a right to say no we work hard. If someone said you were lazy when you worked hard would you not defend yourself?

Helpisathand1 · 27/05/2024 12:39

A lot of the time the wraparound care is run by school staff, TA’s and MDS’s. We run in 2 sessions. The first session until 4.30pm is very busy but the second session until 6pm is very quiet, only ever a few children, so it really wouldn’t be worth having schools open until 6pm. I think our club is only viable financially as it is so busy for the first session and it is not for profit. However, the holiday club has stopped running as it wasn’t financially viable 🤷🏼‍♀️.
The government can’t or won’t fund education properly so I doubt they will ever fund wraparound care. I think that’s up to parents but it should be available and affordable. If there are extra funds they should go into education, as everything has been cut to the bone, and it is sorely needed .

Helpisathand1 · 27/05/2024 12:53

WoshPank · 27/05/2024 10:01

It's quite common on MN for people to assume that because they'd like a service to exist, that means there must be people who'd provide to them, and put no thought into it other than that. Comes up in a fair few contexts.

School jobs in particular really seem to attract tropes that are years out of date. People got used to the idea that they used to be like hens teeth, which they did when there were so few flexible and remote options. And then some of them don't update their priors for the 2020s.

This is so true, we really struggle to recruit at my school. People no longer want the very low wages, that are paid pro rata because of the long holidays. Yes, it’s nice to have the holidays off, but it also means paying for very expensive holidays in school holidays on low wages. It means not being able to take your children out a couple of days early to get a better deal. I am surprised at the quality of staff we do get given the terrible wages tbh. I know quite a few who want to leave. I think that it will only get worse.

Sherrystrull · 27/05/2024 13:07

TorringtonDean · 27/05/2024 11:27

By the teachers! Seroiusly, I remember one of my mum friends being bad-mouthed in my presence by a teacher for not attending a school event. She was very hard-working and it was difficult for her to get the time.

I tell my class that not every parent can come to these events. I couldn't go as I'm at work with them! It's because they can't rather than they don't want to. No judgement from me.

Redlocks28 · 27/05/2024 13:10

Sherrystrull · 27/05/2024 13:07

I tell my class that not every parent can come to these events. I couldn't go as I'm at work with them! It's because they can't rather than they don't want to. No judgement from me.

Absolutely-we always reassure children about things like this. I have genuinely never heard anyone -member of school staff or otherwise- being unpleasant because someone’s parent couldn’t attend an event.

greengreyblue · 27/05/2024 13:20

Ditto.

User79853257976 · 27/05/2024 13:30

Nope - YOU need to adapt for your child. Don’t force our kids into school for 10 hours a day because you don’t want to adapt for yours.

Jeannne92 · 27/05/2024 13:42

I think the pushback needs to be on employers with employees saying yes I am committed to my job and work hard, at the same time I have a child / other person or pet to care for / medical appointments / life admin. like moving house, doing work on house, paperwork / legal / bank like a will, etc. and cannot magically pretend those don't exist or that I can go to appointments at the bank or doctor or at my child' s school after work on at the weekends (or outside of working hours).

Jack80 · 27/05/2024 15:23

That's why schools have an breakfast and afterschool club so they can be looked after from 7.30-6

D3LAN3Y · 27/05/2024 16:06

I've made an agreement with my friend when she was a single parent to pick her youngest up from school and keep him at mine until she finished work (for a couple of hours). I would've happily done this for my other working friends with primary age kids. I wish I had the means to do this in an official capacity. I'm currently a SAHP. My DH works 12 hour shifts.
It gave my DS someone to play with. (We live in a rough area so playing out is limited). It was so difficult for my friend to find wrap around care. She could put her kids in breakfast club but afterschool care is difficult to get here.

Supergirl1958 · 27/05/2024 20:18

Sherrystrull · 27/05/2024 13:07

I tell my class that not every parent can come to these events. I couldn't go as I'm at work with them! It's because they can't rather than they don't want to. No judgement from me.

It’s not always the case though. My first year of teaching (this is going back some years now) I’ll never forget the heartbreak on one of my children’s faces because his mum didn’t come to nativity. He fell asleep in my arms crying. Why didn’t she come? Because she had been shopping! Teachers fully understand working parents being unable to attend events but they don’t always not attend because they are workinf

Sherrystrull · 27/05/2024 20:20

Oh I know @Supergirl1958. However I never say that to the children.

Supergirl1958 · 27/05/2024 20:23

Sherrystrull · 27/05/2024 20:20

Oh I know @Supergirl1958. However I never say that to the children.

No of course not, he sadly saw her shopping bags though :(

Sherrystrull · 27/05/2024 20:27

That's so sad.

Jeannne92 · 27/05/2024 22:00

Supergirl1958 · 27/05/2024 20:23

No of course not, he sadly saw her shopping bags though :(

Maybe she had been shopping for Christmas presents or food or had to go to an appointment she didn't want to mention then grabbed some shopping afterwards? I wouldn't judge parents for not coming and I wouldn't say that working is a better reason than any other.

Supergirl1958 · 28/05/2024 11:00

Jeannne92 · 27/05/2024 22:00

Maybe she had been shopping for Christmas presents or food or had to go to an appointment she didn't want to mention then grabbed some shopping afterwards? I wouldn't judge parents for not coming and I wouldn't say that working is a better reason than any other.

I didn’t judge, but when you’re cradling her crying/sleeping child in my arms, then it’s really tricky. I wouldn’t have minded if she told me she had an appointment. Very often schools do two showings of their nativity for the exact reason that there may be a reason (such as work or appointments, or important shopping etc) that they can’t attend at least one of them, this parent didn’t come to either performance. Sadly the 2nd one was close to pick up time.
Anyway this debate is about using teachers as childcare, which it feels like the OP thinks we are :(

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