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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Because that is literally what people are advocating to posters. Goodbye, you won’t be missed, etc, etc. Nose and face ✂️

I think she's reffering to me and another poster who said we wouldn't miss a high earning benefit basher if they decided to fuck off.

One poster. It was one poster.

This country doesn't need more higher than though benefit bashing twats.

But VAT on private schools isn’t going to mean a mass exodus. The vast majority won’t notice it. Also are you really saying all policies should keep the rich happy?Bit dangerous don’t you think.

I can't vote Labour because they don't support women and are too weak and woke to stand up to sex offenders posing as women.
They will mismanage public funds by spending them all on crap initiatives and not addressing the real problems. People on benefits will have even less incentive to work and those who work will be punished further it.
Not that the Conservatives are a good alternative either but the best of two evils.

So you couldn’t find an extra £250 a month? Why on earth did you put him in such a precarious position?That is on you. People are told not to rely on benefits so not sure why those privately educating shouldn’t also have the same consideration. You should never rely on fees staying the same.

And actually I think most people are sick and tired of policies that just focus on keeping the rich happy. We’ve had that for 14 years and look where it has got us!

This.

Have you seen the Tory tax record of the last 14 years?

It’s on top of tax policies and cliff edges which already are. It’s the bigger picture. People on PAYE - who this will hit aren’t the rich; they are the ones paying for society with high taxes. The rich are not and this won’t impact them.

If you are in the 5% of people sending kids to private school, you are rich. You might not feel like you are because of who you're surrounded by, but you are

Anybody who is paying £15k per child on private fees is wealthy. Private education causes huge inequalities, isn’t necessary and is a luxury. It’s quite right that paying VAT should be part of it. If people don’t like being priced out like everybody else is look vote for policies which sort the inequalities private education brings. Top tip don’t look at the Tories for this.

We don't vote for PMs in this country - just political parties. And when Sir Kier does not get the thumping majority he hopes for he will be replaced.

People on PAYE are not rich. They are the ones funding society by their huge marginal taxes. They are the ones we are losing because of brain drain and huge tax penalties. Hence the Tories having to backtrack on pension contributions. Hence Labour backtracking on lowering the threshold for 45% tax. Even Labour know this an issue - yet they wish to compound it by making some higher earners think twice.

I mean crack on. We have one of the smallest pyramid bases of people who financially contribute in the developed world. Anything which drives them away is a terrible thing with a population whose majority is state dependent.

The rich with generational wealth won’t be punished by this - they also don’t contribute anywhere near as much as the worker on PAYE who has significantly less.

Bigger picture.

But this is the reality of many parents who send their children to private schools. The myth that Labour peddle that they are uber rich is nonsense. Your average market town indie is not exactly Eton...🙄

We need tax take to be redistributed so we don't have these ' we are too scared to raise taxes because the rich will leave' We need better salaries across the board so more people earn enough to contribute. Funnily enough though, the same argument doesn't apply to nurses, teachers and doctors when they go to Australia. We can't do without those people, but some hedge funder who is probably paying a lower tax rate than his cleaner must be persuaded to stay at all costs?

😂It was hardly the most factually correct, well-reasoned piece of political debate, true.

With marginals of 70-100% at some points on the PAYE scale it is more than being redistributed.

Labour may be untested, but the Tories have been in the 14 years and off the top of my head I can think of dozens of failures, and harms that they have caused.

Increased usage of food banks
Highest ever NHS waiting lists - going up pre Covid
Highest rates of tax since the war
Legislating to break international law
Overflowing prisons - police told to arrest less people, early releases of inmates
Illegal prorogation of Parliament
Increase in homelessness
Record numbers of child poverty
Covid loan fraud write offs
Liz Truss mini budget disaster
Sewerage in rivers, seas, and lakes

So maybe Labour will make it harder for people sending children to private school, but that pales into insignificance compared to the piles of shit that the Tories have inflicted upon the country.

And that list doesn't even go into the individual scandals that have shamed Tory MPs

But parents paying £15k, £30k or even £45k a year for their children is wealthy. The fact the op and posters can’t see this speaks volumes!

Yes under Blair the tax rates were lower for higher earners than they are now. However there are far more expenses eg paying back for Covid etc so whoever is in power will have to grow the economy whilst taxing more.

This is how I feel as well and chatting to friends and family I'm not the only one.

I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Labour are not "untested" - they have been thoroughly tested in Wales, where Sir Kier described their Labour administration as a 'blueprint for Britain's'.

I will happily bet everything I own that taxes will not increase to 1970s levels under a Labour government. I think you're being disingenuous.

Exactly.

The fact that KS sees Labour Wales as a blueprint for Britain doesn't inspire me with confidence bearing in mind some of things I've read about Welsh Labour.
FFS Keir, get your act together to give us a viable alternative 🙄