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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Did you say “tough” to children impacted by the council housing policy? Because I certainly didn’t. I don’t want any children to suffer…and it is the children that will suffer for something that they have no control over. I thought the Labour Party cared about children, but clearly not.

As for charitable status, some private schools take it very seriously. Rather than demonising the sector, it would be far more beneficial to put pressure on other schools to do the same.

Absolutely. So very very few people care if some children's parents can no longer afford exorbitant school fees and need to change to the schools 94% of the population use.
It's funny how many people on MN seem to think it's an issue that anyone cares about other than themselves when close to 3 million people had to use food banks last year!

Rishi has said the Tories will be beaten by the Stay at Home on Polling Day Party, and I bet he won't be wrong 🙄

You may not have said 'tough' but it affected far more people.

Maybe the Labour Party do care about children but increasing VAT could give them more money to spend on more children. If a tiny tiny number of people feel they don't want to pay a bit more for a specialist service for their children and may have to use state schools like the vast majority of the population, I don't think that matters too much in the wider scheme of things, particularly in a country with such glaring inequalities and poverty.

Goodness me OP. You're relentless 🤣 do you not have anything better to do?

Again, you’re ignoring the children and just talking about the parents decision. It’s not about wanting to pay, it’s about not being able to pay. You make a false assumption that every private school parent has lots of disposable income.

This policy will raise very little, if anything, and may actually cost the taxpayer depending on the number of pupils who are moved to the state system.

I can't believe how stuck up you would need to be to live in a first world country with free education for all children and be insistent that you're somehow above it even when you can't afford the alternative.

It's a bit pathetic.

Where have I said that I am above it?! I am state educated myself, one of my DC’s is state educated, one is in private.

Why are you launching a personal attack on me? It says a lot about you. Rather than arguing your point, you launch insults at someone who disagrees with you.

This!

20% of £15k is £3k! £250 a month. You could get a supermarket evening job for a year. There are people losing disability benefits they need to live on I’m going to worry about not somebody in private education whose parents refuse to pay an extra £3k.

Yes Wales has a higher proportion of elderly people but the Welsh Government also gets more £ per capita than England to help with that. Its no secret that we have the worst Education, NHS and Dentistry - failing all targets for many years. We have no NHS dentists in many regions and those we have are so overwhelmed they can't take any more clients its emergencies only - this certainly isn't the case for my family in the south of England who can get an appointment in less than a month. As for waiting lists, I need back surgery having a fractured vertebrae and disc compression and am in constant pain, the waiting list just to see the consultant was over12 months to be told that he is currently operating on people who have been on the waiting list for 6 years so 7+ years from referral - again family in England had to wait 3 years for similar operation. They always blame Westminster not giving enough money to Wales but they seem to have enough to purchase a farm to hold festivals at - which has never happened, an Airport that is losing millions but still being supported by grants / loans every year and more millions on a feasibility study for a bypass which they then decided not to do ... oh and of course £33million on 20MPH signs - I agree the free school meals are a good thing but they don't make up for the rest of this sh*t show.

We get about £1 extra per head the last knew about it. It doesn’t stretch far enough. Sorry you’re going through that though. I do agree things aren’t good at all, but I most definitely don’t want the tories anywhere near the Senedd that’s for sure! Hopefully things will start to improve even slightly when they get their faces out of the trough.

Only a brain dead idiot would vote Tories

I really don't understand your argument - if people choose to care about children in general beyond their own families, they really aren't going to care about privately educated children as a priority but rather those who rely on food banks, or are young carers, or are in terrible schools and have no choice. You have options - so many people don't.

Tbh if the VAT rise is so personally disastrous then take a leaf out of the OP's book and be more prudent, work harder, have a property or two...

You were the one who said “tough”. I have never used that word about any policy that would have a negative impact on children. Doesn’t matter which party that has introduced it.

Where did I say it was personally disasterous? That’s the thing about me, I can see past the end of my own nose.

Here in lies the issue. Don’t have children is private school so I am not personally affected. I also have never voted Tory. However, generally people who are paying private school fees are not only paying for their child’s education. They will be covering via tax, their child’s state place and they will be subsidising everyone else by their tax contributions. In essence paying for other people’s children to attend school.

I am sure Labour will support the majority. Let’s not forget now - the majority of the public are state dependents. More adults take from the state than pay in. Wonderful. We are also in huge debt to pay for that. We can’t afford a bigger state. We borrow each month to pay for our state spending.

Hmm, yet people on here want higher earners to leave. That’s a great idea. Get rid of the only ones paying for the state. People who pay huge marginal rates of tax.

It is a poorly thought out policy which covers up Labour’s only electable pledge - we are not the Tories. It won’t raise a lot, it could see an issue with state places. Also, if people on here are anything to go by - people are happier for higher earners who are already some of the most highly taxed in the world to leave. I guess everyone will need to fund their own children then.

Agree. Huge eye roll when I see this particular username.

They never have anything of substance to say. Just torygraph drivel at best.

*You’re missing the point. The VAT policy will do nothing to help the children you refer to and harm others in the process. And it won’t be the most privileged that will be impacted. It won’t impact the genuniely “rich” or “elite”.

You quoted the above comment from me but that was a response to the person who referred to it impacting the most privileged per cent. That’s where the confusion lies. You didn’t use my quote in the context it was meant to be used in.

So you did confuse me with another poster by saying I said something I didn’t, well done for getting there in the end.

But you’re confused again. I replied to the above comment asking about why it was an issue that the genuinely rich aren’t impacted? That’s a question, it doesn’t mean I took something out of context….

Where did I say it was personally disasterous? That’s the thing about me, I can see past the end of my own nose.

Who are you voting for then & who did you vote for in the past since you’ve always been so concerned about others children & policies that negatively impact them?

‘Again, you’re ignoring the children and just talking about the parents decision. It’s not about wanting to pay, it’s about not being able to pay. You make a false assumption that every private school parent has lots of disposable income.’

This country is on its knees. Very few people care if some people have to pay more for private schooling. Or if a handful of kids have to change schools - think of it as character building…
use state sxhools if you don’t want to pay more, there’s plenty of room as the child population is dropping.

As for the rest of us, we’re more concerned about the education of the rest of the population, the NHS, care for our parents and grandparents, the mental health crisis, cost of living, our transport systems and the sewage in our seas

What are you talking about? The richest won’t give two hoots about an extra £250 a month. It won’t impact state places as the numbers using private education are already small and those using it unable to pay an extra £250a month even smaller.

Who said they want high earners to leave? There are high earners who vote labour, high earners who believe in wanting things better for all and high earners who don’t use private education. Being held to ransom by high earners with massive inequalities not tackled is a ridiculous thing to suggest.

Have you read the posts on the thread?

Err yes but not sure why that is relevant. 🤔

I didn’t say that it was an issue that the genuinely rich weren’t affected. The point was that the previous poster was referring to the most privileged per cent being impacted. But they won’t. That’s a fact. The child of the Premiership footballer at my DC’s school won’t be impacted, but the children of the state school teachers might be. You were the one who decided to twist my words without addressing the point that I was actually making.

@Anotherparkingthread and if his school closes? It won’t matter whether or not I can afford the VAT then will it - he’ll be moving schools halfway through his GCSE’s. But so many MNetters are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of allegedly ‘rich kids’ being forced out of their schools. I actually feel pity for people with such vitriol towards children.

@edwinbear Don’t worry about being a pain in the arse - us state school parents are used to them! It’s actually amusing that you think being a pain in the arse is some sort of weird threat - that’s the least of our worries each day!