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AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

I think the answer to this is 1900 regarding Labour and to the last Conservative leader for the Conservatives, the party who think they can just elect a new leader and tell us everything is different now.

Imma call it a subsidy.

Not sure why you’re equating cakes with privileged education but you crack on.

We can but dream!!!

Again you’re getting muddled. I’m not criticising the Tories for causing inflation. I’m criticising them for running the country into the ground. HTH

Can you give an example of where the Tories created a dodgy dossier to mislead parliament to take the country to an illegal war killing millions? I don't think you can!
I have no idea why you are defending that behaviour. As I said before no one with any scruples would support that behaviour or that party which killed millions.

Another 5 years of this? No thanks. I am not expecting utopia under Labour but I will vote for them because a spoiled ballot paper is a vote for another 5 years of the Tories. They will be the only beneficiaries of a 'protest' vote and I'm not risking seeing what services are left after another 5 years of the Tories.

Clearly the right wing media is out in force but before anyone buys into their impending 'scare stories', does anyone think that Starmer could be any worse than this current shower?

I’m not defending it. Pray tell, point me to my words where I do.

I am saying that the Tories have also had hands in plenty of wars that they bloody well should not have done.

I trained as an HCP and entered the NHS under a Labour govt. I didn't pay tuition fees and got a bursary, allowing me to support myself and my ds whilst I trained. I wasn't rich but I could manage! Students doing the same course now are using food banks and unable to afford to travel to their training placements. The NHS was a very different place too. Not perfect - no institution of that size and complexity ever could be - but things worked, resources were available, appointments could be had within a day, etc. I ran clinics in a Sure Start centre in a very poor area and I saw how families were supported. It's gone now, of course.

I don't think for a second that an incoming Labour govt will be the answer to all my prayers. It's true that it's not 1997 and the same sense of hope and excitement probably isn't there this time around. The country is broken in ways that will take a generation to recover from. But the idea that anyone - any ordinary person - can look at what the UK has become over the last 14 years and still think that the Tory party deserve another 5 years is incomprehensible to me. Genuinely incomprehensible.

Oh, and before anyone starts - I'm now a higher-rate taxpayer, own my own home, have good savings and a nice future pension (hopefully!) I don't claim anything and I have a good life with money to spend and enjoy myself. I also want a country where kids don't go hungry, people can get a GP appointment or see an NHS dentist when they need to. Where no one working needs to go to a food bank and no one disabled needs to live in fear that they will have their money taken away. I want to live in a country I can feel proud of and optimistic about again. That will never happen under the Tory party.

Because they are both VAT exempt. No one needs to eat cake and if the Labour Party introduced that as a policy it would generate far more revenue than VAT on school fees (which may not generate any revenue anyway). You see VAT on private school fees as punishing the “rich” but you are actually punishing children. What a delightful attitude.

My my my, what will those poor little rich kids do! Cake = children. What a world eh you live in.

if you think children are punished by going to state school, then that says a lot about what you think.

Ah here we go again. Those against lockdowns must be right wing. Along with all those who lost their jobs livelihoods homes relationships and marriages because of it. They havent forgotten. Its still talked about a lot.

And ive never voted Tory either which i put in my post but you carry on seeing what you want to see. Im used to it!!!

Well the majority of children are punished all the time by the inequality private education causes but I guess you don’t care about that.

The Tories say they’re tough on crime.

About 15-20 prisons have closed since 2013.

A few prisons opened since then but they were mainly private ones.

Stop private prisons!

It’s the line about “voting for those who called for longer harder lockdowns”.

how anyone makes public health measures a political matter is beyond me. God forbid what happens when a worse virus comes along!

Oh the irony after what you posted in reply to me.

Lost me I’m afraid.

Yes Doesnt surprise me.

I think that implementing a policy which results in children being moved from schools that they are happy and settled in is cruel and unjust. This is particularly the case for children who are in those schools because they were previously let down by the State system in one way or another. You equate private schools with “rich kids” (your words) which shows how little understand you have of the independent sector as a whole.

One word...............Leicester

It's a shame we can't have a proper debate without attacks and insults on anyone who disagrees.

Everyone wants what's best for the country and for society, but will disagree on the best ways to achieve it.

Private education doesn’t cause inequality, sub-standard state education causes inequality.

@Ilovemycar77 same and will spoilt my vote before leaving. They can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

But who says it will? Children move schools all the time.

I strongly suspect what will happen is that it will be phased and schools will phase an increase in fees in to enable affordability.

We’ve had schools in the past change from grammar to private and I doubt it caused massive upheaval.

Private schools entrench inequality and should be scrapped but that’s never happening. This is a more pragmatic option.

I wish Labour was the answer but it really isn't!

Incorrect.

Have a look around at the top tiers of government, media, the judiciary etc.