VOTE Labour and

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

AIBU to feel this will happen un a Labour government???

From what I see and IMO, the Labour lot on the whole believe in aspirations but only for themselves

Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

As I said I don't trust any of them. But if you are working, worked hard, been prudent with your money and have savings, decent private pensions in the pipeline and possibly a property or two that you have worked for, for your retirement and not wasting your money and want to leave some behind for your kids, GC etc rather than throw it away on the hand to mouth life - then if Labour comes into power, you are totally and truly F'd

Labour rants they will do this and the other - the last time they almost bankrupted England,

If you are working hard being prudent with your money and made sacrifices to send your kids to a private school as many Labour MP's do on pay at almost 100k - they are eager to put VAT on this part of education. The MPS whose pay is a couple of times above average pay will be able to afford it - will you??

Me, my family, relatives have all worked hard, not on benefits, never lived in social housing and not thrown our money away but been prudent to be self-sufficient and pay our taxes to support our country. If you are like us, then trust me, under Labour, you will be shafted hard.

I'm not sure if I will vote tory or an independent but this circus of Tories and Labour taking turns to lie to the nation is not on and yes, most politicians lie and will lie and say anything to get into number 10 and if your feel that is not true, then you must be on another planet

Considering nobody has voted for the last several prime ministers I'm just happy we're finally getting a choice and a vote.

So, tell me what happened in 2007/8 to the global economy 👀🤔

Nope Not voting for the ones who called for longer harder lockdowns and ive never voted Tory so wont be voting for either.

Sounds like you’ve had the Daily Mail piped directly into your brain.

The lowest rate for anyone earning up to £4,500 was 35% so much higher than today’s rates. The next band was 38% so on until you got to 83%. There was a brain drain as a result.

@Believeitornot absolutely. Getting a few pence here and there means jack shit if you can only go private at the dentist- end up paying for private GP appointments or MRIs because you can't see anyone for 2 weeks- can't let your kids splash in the sea because it's full of shit, keep having to get new tyres or wheel balancing because of the totally unacceptable state of the roads and potholes - mental train fares if you can't book weeks in advance in some cases, having adult kids home to ridiculous ages because they either can't afford rooms, no affordable rentals or the competition is fierce, obviously worse in particular areas. Fuel bills that are around £350 a month for many with an average sized house, it used to be that quarter and yet no controls on how much profit can be made and given to shareholders-I don't just blame this bunch- privatisation started by Thatcher kicked off all this - from privatised utilities to selling off social housing- all done to boost the Tory vote and the shit now has well and truly hit the fan - yes covid and Ukraine haven't helped but I'm afraid choices made by this gvt have put the country in a poor position to uphold public services. Brexit for one was a self inflicted choice- designed to shore up a mainly right of centre vote that was increasingly looking to ukip etc - based on a lot of misinformation that'nothing would change' and people naive enough to fall for it or not that political-

It's small things like they have the bill to limit paying for care to £86k if you have assets- delayed of course to 2025

Same again for extra childcare help- delayed too beyond this government

Compensation for various shitty things- delayed again or not yet paid out

Things are never quite what they seem- it's like a bunch of dodgy businessmen

People have been made redundant for decades, my OH was made redundant from the Navy in 2013 after David Cameron promised them massive investments and job security (and I mean personally promised hem, he actually met them) that never came.

And 2008? So the global financial crash?

I know Labour made a cock up of everything in the 70s and am not going to argue otherwise.

But it was half a century ago. How far do we go back now when arguing politics? Churchill? Disraeli? At present, I only care about what's happened since 2010 and it's been catastrophic.

And I'm not naturally left-leaning. I think we want European public services and US taxes, and it's impossible. But surely, surely we deserve better than what we've currently got.

And so tell me what happened in 2022 to cause inflation?! Strange how one thing has nothing to do with the Government of the time but the other does. Inflation has been high all over Europe. In fact, the UK is now lower than the EU and the Euro zone average.

Prove it.

Also, conversely, as someone employed in the children's service/youth work sector we had a fantastic time under the last Labour Gov - you know - we could adequately support families and teenagers, run programs to tackle youth crime, ASB, run youth clubs, do outreach work, tackle youth unemployment, have accessible mental health services etc.

Oddly - now - we have loss of youth services, a rise in CE and CSE, a huge rise in numbers of teens coming into care (costing millions) and no jobs

I earn fuck all working for children's services (27 years of work, now on £36k) but my ex husband, owner of a £2 million pound small business would also never vote tory because he has experienced his worst years under this gov and his best under the last - but then, neither of us begrudge paying tax, as long as it's not used to pay off party donors, as we understand the importance of a wider society where health, education and welfare services work well and support those who need them.

I am sure you will. Pay 45% do you?

The point I was making is that it wasn’t better for me under the last Labour government. I’m sorry if that point was lost on you!

It's kind of useful when people quote it, though. It's a very clear indicator that their political opinions can be safely ignored. Helps weed out the utter numpties.

Have they forgotten that Sir Kier went to a private school. It was a Grammar then it changed to Independent to escape the Labour Govt.
(According to my cousin who lives in the area. and went to same school).

https://resource.download.wjec.co.uk/vtc/2015-16/15-16_20/unit7/TaxRates73-90_resource.pdf

Of course you do. To be honest, anyone paying 45% would be an absolute fool to not reconsider relocation. Whoever gets in. I believe them.

What are you talking about?

The Tories have sold off key infrastructure to the highest bidder. We are paying for it now.

They cut key public services to the bone which meant that when Covid hit, they panicked and threw money (at their friends mainly) to try and cover. It meant when Brexit hit, they didn’t have enough staff so had to panic employ people to fix their mess.

I think you’re getting in a muddle, as you’re so keen to see Rishi Sunak carry on as PM.

Not everything bad is the fault of the Tories - but a hell of a lot is.

Prove the brain drain

@SinisterBumFacedCat yes I didn't like that tone either- it's almost as if anyone who works hard, is self reliant etc would automatically vote Tory- plenty of Tory's ironically who do very little actual paid work and do literally sit on their arse and get by due to handed down wealth, trust funds etc-

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

I don't trust Labour, nor do I trust the Torties. Liberals, IMO they will sell your soul down the river to get a sniff at number 10

Who are The Torties? They sound cute.

I would be happy to vote for them. 🐈🐱

typical greedy torties

"Older people will vividly recall the the hideous tax rates under labour - between 1974 and 1979 the paye tax rate was up to 80%. Then there was a tax on top of that for so-called higher earners of 18%. This equated to 98%"

Nice try at ridiculous scaremongering, OP.

Ordinary taxpayers paid nothing of the kind in the 70s and only the super-rich paid very high taxes.

However, your memory seems to have entirely wiped out the Labour governments of 1997-2010 - why would that be, eh?

Good bye!

Less than workers pay on similar incomes