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To be glad we are finally getting an election

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frankentall · 22/05/2024 16:50

Rishi due to tell us at 5pm what the date is - smart money on 4th July perhaps pressaging his inevitable departure for the USA.

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Churchview · 22/05/2024 20:55

WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 20:53

My fear is they'll tax the shit out of us and we still won't see much tangible improvement (not that I'm a Tory fan either).

Do we not have the highest taxes ever now under the Tories?

IClaudine · 22/05/2024 20:57

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 20:49

You don't think we've been Robbed because I do! Yes they've lost some pension but don't feel to sorry for them. They had fully funded higher education and the right to buy! We're paying a pension were never going to see!!! That's real robbery, we can only afford to buy half a house!! They are all sat there with tripple locked pensions, pension credit and houses they fully own!

Oh, come on. People only get pension credit if their pension income is a pittance. And what is wrong with pensioners owning the houses they paid a mortgage on?

Pitting one generation against another is in the Tory playbook. If you were a Corbyn supporter I am very surprised you fall for this trick.

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 20:57

Martinii · 22/05/2024 20:46

I'll be lucky to see a pension too! I was referring to people who at the time had paid in for years only to be screwed by labour.

It's like leaving someone in a good position financially, then over the years they not only spend all the money, max out the credit cards, spend all the money under the mattress and raided the jewellery box too! So when the shit hits the fan, i.e., a global crash, there's no buffer whatsoever.

The conservatives have bottomed out the education system and are now wondering why there's a skills shortage in the UK, its a bad joke tbh. They stopped building houses, let the buy to let market get out of hand. They've over burdened us for our entire adult life, if you don't support people to succeed they won't, they merely stay afloat. Britain prospered because it had the skills to do so, people are losing hope and rightly so.... all we can do now is survive

Martinii · 22/05/2024 20:57

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 20:49

You don't think we've been Robbed because I do! Yes they've lost some pension but don't feel to sorry for them. They had fully funded higher education and the right to buy! We're paying a pension were never going to see!!! That's real robbery, we can only afford to buy half a house!! They are all sat there with tripple locked pensions, pension credit and houses they fully own!

With higher education, I remember thinking at the time (as my generation were the ones they encouraged to go to uni despite not needing to), how is this sustainable in the long run? I don't want people to be charged but I can see why as under labour (education education education) every Tom dick and Harry went to uni which not only devalued a degree but made it harder for people who didn't go to uni to get jobs and work their way up from the bottom.

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 20:59

Lavengro · 22/05/2024 20:21

I think you don't understand political journalism. It was Sophie Ridge interviewing Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader. She was trying to goad him, which is basically her job, and I agree he didn't come out of it particularly impressively. But she didn't say she'd seen the Labour manifesto and that it was "a copy of" the Conservative one, because, as you've been told by several people now, neither of them have been published yet.

Him? It was a woman labour mp...

WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 20:59

I dislike the Tories but Labour have always been masters of wasting money. I can just see them raising taxes but not making any tangible improvement.

Churchview · 22/05/2024 21:01

The last Labour government's tangible improvements....

The longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s, low mortage rates, the National Minimum Wage, 14,000 more police, crime rate cut by 32%, record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools, 36,000 more teachers, 85,000 more nurse, 32,000 more doctors, heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.paternity leave, Sure Start Childrens Centres, the introduction of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty, 1 million social homes brought up to standard, 1.8 million people helped to find jobs, free entry to national museums and galleries.

frankentall · 22/05/2024 21:02

WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 20:59

I dislike the Tories but Labour have always been masters of wasting money. I can just see them raising taxes but not making any tangible improvement.

This is just nonsense.

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Martinii · 22/05/2024 21:05

Churchview · 22/05/2024 21:01

The last Labour government's tangible improvements....

The longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s, low mortage rates, the National Minimum Wage, 14,000 more police, crime rate cut by 32%, record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools, 36,000 more teachers, 85,000 more nurse, 32,000 more doctors, heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.paternity leave, Sure Start Childrens Centres, the introduction of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty, 1 million social homes brought up to standard, 1.8 million people helped to find jobs, free entry to national museums and galleries.

My ex sil is high up in the police force and used to despair of the crime rate statistics. She'd explain how they are manipulated worked out and certainly don't reflect reality. Ever since I've taken them with a pinch of salt no matter who's in government.

BurntBroccoli · 22/05/2024 21:08

They've picked a transition time for students who will be moving out of their accommodation.
Need to make sure my son applies for a postal vote...

Churchview · 22/05/2024 21:08

WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 20:59

I dislike the Tories but Labour have always been masters of wasting money. I can just see them raising taxes but not making any tangible improvement.

£290mill wasted on Rwanda
£2.3bn spent on cancelled parts of HS2
50m spent on a new helicopter for top Tories
Liz Truss's mini budget
Nightingale hospitals
PPE contracts given to mates = rubbish PPE

SpidersAreShitheads · 22/05/2024 21:08

I'm a Labour voter usually - can't stand the Tories. Corrupt, thieving bastards who have utterly fucked this country over.

I think Keir Starmer is a decent and principled man, and I think he'd be a good PM.

But...

A PP asked what would be worse under Labour and my answer is women's rights. Labour still won't answer the question of "what is a woman" and they are still committed to self-ID and making the process of legally becoming a woman easier.

I read the transcripts of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre this week, and it's appalling how women were treated. A rape crisis centre, a registered charity, refused to help some female rape and sexual assault victims. Our vulnerable women in society need the protection of single sex spaces. Many, many women need single sex spaces for a whole host of reasons.

Labour will do damage to women's rights, women's single-sex spaces, and women's safety. I don't know how robustly they'll follow the recommendations from Cass, or whether they'll use the report as a springboard for further investigations (which the Conservatives have pledged to do).

Of course this isn't the only issue that matters, but it's an important one to me. Not everyone will care about this, or even think it should be a high priority, and that's fine. But I'm just answering the question about what issue might be worse under Labour.

If Labour could sort out their policies on single sex spaces and defining biological sex, I'd be dancing in the street right now. I await their manifesto with interest but I've followed everything they've said on this subject and there's nothing to suggest they're about to do a u-turn.

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 21:08

Martinii · 22/05/2024 20:57

With higher education, I remember thinking at the time (as my generation were the ones they encouraged to go to uni despite not needing to), how is this sustainable in the long run? I don't want people to be charged but I can see why as under labour (education education education) every Tom dick and Harry went to uni which not only devalued a degree but made it harder for people who didn't go to uni to get jobs and work their way up from the bottom.

I don't even mean just higher education tbh. They are now blaming disabled people for gaps in employment but in reality its skill shortages. I'm just so tired of trying to better my life, not to burden the state when I can no longer contribute to it, only for conservative policy to move the goal posts. House prices have doubled in since the pandemic, and you will see in all the news its 10% 20% but it isn't. I've been looking at houses since 2019, they have doubled and Rishi's tax relief in the pandemic caused it. They are slowly creeping down thankfully but not fast enough. I'm not even in poverty I live comfortably, I'm saving ontop but I know I'm destined for pensioner poverty and I've spoken to the housing minister department, they have no plans to improve things. So what am I meant to do? I'm done with them all tbh

BurntBroccoli · 22/05/2024 21:09

@WithACatLikeTread
It's going to take years to put right all these Tory wrongs sadly.

IClaudine · 22/05/2024 21:12

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 21:08

I don't even mean just higher education tbh. They are now blaming disabled people for gaps in employment but in reality its skill shortages. I'm just so tired of trying to better my life, not to burden the state when I can no longer contribute to it, only for conservative policy to move the goal posts. House prices have doubled in since the pandemic, and you will see in all the news its 10% 20% but it isn't. I've been looking at houses since 2019, they have doubled and Rishi's tax relief in the pandemic caused it. They are slowly creeping down thankfully but not fast enough. I'm not even in poverty I live comfortably, I'm saving ontop but I know I'm destined for pensioner poverty and I've spoken to the housing minister department, they have no plans to improve things. So what am I meant to do? I'm done with them all tbh

What do you mean by housing minister department @Mummy2024 ? How can they say what a Labour government will do?

ThePoshUns · 22/05/2024 21:14

WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 20:53

My fear is they'll tax the shit out of us and we still won't see much tangible improvement (not that I'm a Tory fan either).

Taxes are higher now than they've ever been and public services are worse than ever.

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/05/2024 21:16

Boomer55 · 22/05/2024 17:54

Poor Sunak. He was getting drenched, standing there, with music drowning him out…😂

You'd think someone might have looked out of the window and - I dunno - thought of some way of stopping him from getting drenched.

zaxxon · 22/05/2024 21:16

catlady7 · 22/05/2024 18:37

Never voted. Not going to start now

Why not? What have you got to lose by voting?

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/05/2024 21:17

Churchview · 22/05/2024 21:08

£290mill wasted on Rwanda
£2.3bn spent on cancelled parts of HS2
50m spent on a new helicopter for top Tories
Liz Truss's mini budget
Nightingale hospitals
PPE contracts given to mates = rubbish PPE

This. AND a lot more.

Martinii · 22/05/2024 21:19

Mummy2024 · 22/05/2024 21:08

I don't even mean just higher education tbh. They are now blaming disabled people for gaps in employment but in reality its skill shortages. I'm just so tired of trying to better my life, not to burden the state when I can no longer contribute to it, only for conservative policy to move the goal posts. House prices have doubled in since the pandemic, and you will see in all the news its 10% 20% but it isn't. I've been looking at houses since 2019, they have doubled and Rishi's tax relief in the pandemic caused it. They are slowly creeping down thankfully but not fast enough. I'm not even in poverty I live comfortably, I'm saving ontop but I know I'm destined for pensioner poverty and I've spoken to the housing minister department, they have no plans to improve things. So what am I meant to do? I'm done with them all tbh

I'm quite convinced that the skills gap stemmed from young people being encouraged to get a degree, even those who didn't to. Meaning the 'trades' were seen as some sort of failure as a career. When FOM came in, people from the EU flooded the country who were willing to do the jobs people now saw as beneath them when in fact the trades are great jobs and it made you want to scream to Tony Blair NOT EVERYONE HAS TO GO TO BLOODY UNI!
Housing, well that's not a recent thing. My ex bought his 3 bed detached house in a nice area for 99k in 1998. A decade later it was worth around 400k.

countrysidelife2024 · 22/05/2024 21:22

I'm happy about it just because If something isn't working, it needs change and that change may not be better but its certainly giving us a better chance than just sticking to what we know.

Flyhigher · 22/05/2024 21:38

WalrusOfLove · 22/05/2024 20:59

I dislike the Tories but Labour have always been masters of wasting money. I can just see them raising taxes but not making any tangible improvement.

Please go and some actual research on this.
Not just reading the Daily Fail.

BurntBroccoli · 22/05/2024 21:41

Churchview · 22/05/2024 21:01

The last Labour government's tangible improvements....

The longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s, low mortage rates, the National Minimum Wage, 14,000 more police, crime rate cut by 32%, record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools, 36,000 more teachers, 85,000 more nurse, 32,000 more doctors, heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.paternity leave, Sure Start Childrens Centres, the introduction of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty, 1 million social homes brought up to standard, 1.8 million people helped to find jobs, free entry to national museums and galleries.

Thanks may I copy this?!

Churchview · 22/05/2024 21:50

@BurntBroccoli Please do. It's in the public domain (along with many other points including the cleanest air, drinking water and waterways ever, banning fox hunting, inpatient waiting lists down by 500,000, banning fur farming and testing of cosmetics on animals).

Makes me so very sad to think what the Conservatives have done to this country since.

https://www.shrewsburylabour.org.uk/labours-top-50-achievements/

Flyhigher · 22/05/2024 21:53

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/