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Creepy neighbour - thoughts!?

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 21/05/2024 07:13

Hello! I had a strange encounter with a neighbour last week which made me feel very uncomfortable. I’m sure I’m right, but my mind will always minimise things/mitigate for people so I wanted to run the situation past others and see if your thoughts support mine!

Thursday, 1pm there’s a knock on my door, I don’t answer, they knock again, this time louder. I look out the window and see that it’s a fairly new neighbour who I’ve only met once or twice in passing and never really spoken to. He lives with his girlfriend and his child. I open the door and he says he’s sorry to bother me but do I have any sugar, he’s run out and really needs a coffee. I laugh and say “are you serious” because it seemed cliche. He says yes so I say ok sure and turn to go into the house and grab him some, except he follows me in and into my kitchen. He had brought a coffee with him and then helped himself opening drawers to find himself a spoon. He then said how it’s cool that we both work from home, what time do I have my lunches usually, suggesting essentially that we could have lunches at the same time. He told me he likes to draw and saw some of my artwork, then suggested we should do some drawing together sometime. All questions after this were the type that enabled him to get close and have physical contact - I like your rings, folllowed by holding my hand and leaning in close to look at them, I like your tattoos, followed by holding my wrist and arm and running his hand over them, what size are your ears stretched to, can I have a look, followed by moving in to look closely at my ears. After a while I said sorry you need to go, I have work to do, do you want to take some sugar with you - he said no that’s fine I’ll go to the shop later - the shop which is less than a minutes walk from his house. I thought the whole thing was weird but gave him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he is very over-familiar and lacking in self-awareness, and maybe he genuinely needed some sugar.

3pm - there’s a knock at the door again, and it’s him again. I go down there, he says sorry can I grab some more sugar, I say fine and again he follows me into the house, again helping himself to a spoon. The front door has been left open, I say I need to make sure my cat hasn’t run out and he tells me I can close the door. I do this so my cat doesn’t run out and then immediately start heaping sugar into a bowl so he can take it and just get out, in the middle of doing this he says hey can I look at your tattoo again and takes hold of my wrist, runs his hand over the tattoo again and slowly up my forearm. At this point I am kind of in a corner and I panic, pull away and say I really need to get on so here’s your sugar. I then march quickly to the front door to get it open and on the way out, he says by the way - you don’t need to tell your partner I came round. I say he already knows you’ve been here.

This is all really creepy, right!?

So I tell my partner all of this and how uncomfortable I felt and he’s furious. The next day, he sees my neighbour’s partner in the street and asks her for a word, says her boyfriend made me feel very uncomfortable in our house yesterday and can we have our sugar pot back. She is baffled - why was he in our house and why does he have our pot. He explains, she goes into their house and 20 minutes later, they are both on the doorstep and he is very politely apologising for making me feel uncomfortable and asking me to explain what he did that made me feel that way. This gets my back up straight away because he knows full well, and I tell him so. He denies saying that I didn’t need to tell my partner and tells me I’m overreacting. I tell him he’s gaslighting me, and that he’s a creep. I then ask his girlfriend if they had sugar at home yesterday - she tells me yes, they did. I tell him I have no idea what his intentions were but they did not originate in a place of honesty, he had sugar at home, an open door is not an invitation in, and his behaviour in my house/towards me was unnerving. I apologised to his partner because it can’t have been nice having someone stand there and call their fella a creep.

I’m right, right!!? I’m sure I am, but I’m such an overthinker, I’m overthinking myself into thinking I’ve gone overboard..

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Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 22/05/2024 11:21

namemane · 22/05/2024 11:16

You’re right - I was too kind, too much benefit of the doubt in the first part of my response.

it’s the same benefit of the doubt that I was giving him! I think it comes from a place of looking for the good, not wanting to believe that some people are just awful, despite knowing that lots of people are in fact awful!

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/05/2024 11:54

Chael86
Thank you. I pretty much covered this in the original post and since.

I read all your posts, you don't actually say why you said "fine" and let him in when he asked you for sugar a second time.

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You do realise that sometimes we go into conditioned auto pilot don't you?

Regardless of a decision which in retrospect wasn't the best, OP is the victim and he is the Predator.

Your focus on her behaviour is weird and victim blaming

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 22/05/2024 11:56

@Noirdesir am excellent book and I agree well worth a read

Scammersarescum · 22/05/2024 12:15

Ohthatoldchestnut · 22/05/2024 00:40

For any of those PPs who are victim blaming, please stop. Just... stop. Or maybe re-direct that energy to encourage the men in your lives to hold their fellow men to account for this sort of behaviour - like the OP's partner did.

Just remember this isn't some unknown man in an unfamiliar place. It was daytime and the OP was in her home that she shares with a partner - and he is a neighbour with a partner and child. So it's not remotely surprising that the OP's defences were not up at DEFCON1 because it was entirely reasonable for her to believe she should be fairly safe.

Now, we are all pretty aware that in reality the men most likely to harm us (and our children) are those that are known to us and are often socially perceived as "safe". But predators that like proximity have to be skilfully manipulative to get away with it. Plus, our conditioning will still often mean we miss those signs - especially as the man encroaches on our boundaries bit by bit in such a way that we question our perception of what is happening.

And when we do twig something's not right, we have been taught by the world to not rock the boat, that men are to be appeased - it takes some undoing to be able to override all this. And it takes some experience to know how to defend yourself safely (as no one really knows how they'll react until they've had that experience).

But you know what can fatally damage someone's confidence to override that conditioning and rely on their instincts to protect themselves? 1. The very rational fear of not being believed; and 2. knowing that you will be shamed for something you did or didn't do (which may or may not actually have any relevance to the situation - they usually find something...).

So whilst it is wise to take care of ourselves and to sensibly limit the openings these predators have - to the extent we can and without living every day in fear - if a man assaults you, the blame is unequivocally 100% on that man.

Absolutely bang on the money @Ohthatoldchestnut

Great post

Catsmere · 22/05/2024 13:08

namemane · 22/05/2024 11:16

You’re right - I was too kind, too much benefit of the doubt in the first part of my response.

The old female socialisation getting us every time!

Noirdesir · 23/05/2024 06:00

badatdecisions · 21/05/2024 17:17

Can you explain why, having had such a weird encounter the first time, you still let him in the second time? Surely that's a red flag for your own judgment?

I would get a Ring doorbell and also not answer the door in your working day, unless you're expecting a parcel.

I'll tell you exactly why the OP likely did this. Because women especially are socialised to "be kind". Just look at the responses in this very thread- oh he might be lonely, he's just awkward, he just wants to make friends! blah blah blah.

On any thread where a woman feels threatened by a man acting weird they always get told to be kind and that they should go out of their way to accommodate a strange man who wants to chat on the basis of he might be lonely or he might need help. When women do express they have a bad feeling about someone they get told they are overreacting, being unkind, that they should help people in need because its what "kind" people do.

With years and years of socialisation like that is it any wonder that we repress our instincts and try really hard to see the good in people and be nice? we override our instincts and give people the benefit of the doubt over and over again. This is exactly how Ted Bundy fooled his victims- by wearing a cast on his arm. What woman wouldnt help someone with a broken arm?- imagine if someone posted on here that they had a bad feeling about a man with his arm in a cast asking for their help and they ignored him. They'd be absolutely ripped to bloody shreds for being "unkind". The OP had the correct instinct in the first place but it was years and years of this BS brainwashing that made her mind override it on the second occasion.

Motnight · 23/05/2024 08:42

Noirdesir · 23/05/2024 06:00

I'll tell you exactly why the OP likely did this. Because women especially are socialised to "be kind". Just look at the responses in this very thread- oh he might be lonely, he's just awkward, he just wants to make friends! blah blah blah.

On any thread where a woman feels threatened by a man acting weird they always get told to be kind and that they should go out of their way to accommodate a strange man who wants to chat on the basis of he might be lonely or he might need help. When women do express they have a bad feeling about someone they get told they are overreacting, being unkind, that they should help people in need because its what "kind" people do.

With years and years of socialisation like that is it any wonder that we repress our instincts and try really hard to see the good in people and be nice? we override our instincts and give people the benefit of the doubt over and over again. This is exactly how Ted Bundy fooled his victims- by wearing a cast on his arm. What woman wouldnt help someone with a broken arm?- imagine if someone posted on here that they had a bad feeling about a man with his arm in a cast asking for their help and they ignored him. They'd be absolutely ripped to bloody shreds for being "unkind". The OP had the correct instinct in the first place but it was years and years of this BS brainwashing that made her mind override it on the second occasion.

Thank you @Noirdesir for your post.

KhakiTraybake · 23/05/2024 19:07

I would never let anyone walk in my house. If someone tried to walk in following me, I'd say " excuse me do you mind waiting" and I'd walk them to the door.

But, I rarely answer my door. I got a ring doorbell, alexa show. So now I see who it is, and most of the time I still don't answer. Haha
Tell him to stay away he's a fucking creep.

Desenia86 · 23/05/2024 19:08

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campingwithdoggo · 23/05/2024 19:09

@Desenia86 and what happened to you to make you so unpleasant ?

Allmenarenotthesame · 23/05/2024 19:12

He's a sex pest, it's pricks like him that gives guys like me a bad name what a tosser

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 23/05/2024 19:29

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This was never about whether I was “right” to feel uncomfortable. I felt uncomfortable, feelings are not right or wrong. I was actually looking for people’s thoughts and input to help me articulate the situation. This was not an overtly aggressive or violent encounter, it was a subtle and intensive grooming session, in my home, in the middle of the day, where I would usually have no reason to feel unsafe or wary, which left me overwhelmed and very confused. This was my first post on this site, and I didn’t look for an appropriate topic to post it under, I went for the first one I saw which happened to be “am I being unreasonable”.

Your comment is cruel and unhelpful.

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Motnight · 23/05/2024 19:36

campingwithdoggo · 23/05/2024 19:09

@Desenia86 and what happened to you to make you so unpleasant ?

Indeed. I am shocked at the victim blaming on here.

Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 19:39

imnotsickbutimnotwell · 21/05/2024 07:28

Why did you let him in twice? If I didn’t know him I would have said “sorry no sugar but the shop sells it”. Get a video doorbell! Don’t answer the door to him again.

This why did you put yourself in this position a 2nd time if you felt so uncomfortable?

Kjeri · 23/05/2024 19:41

Right.. alot of times it's the people closest to you that cause you harm. I would have freaked out straight away if he had let himself in !!

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 23/05/2024 19:42

Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 19:39

This why did you put yourself in this position a 2nd time if you felt so uncomfortable?

Have you read all the posts on his thread? This has already been covered. I’m not going through it again and frankly I’m sick of people questioning my responses, I can do that myself.

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WickedSerious · 23/05/2024 19:44

Is there a full moon tonight or something?

TroysMammy · 23/05/2024 19:47

WickedSerious · 23/05/2024 19:44

Is there a full moon tonight or something?

Yes there is a full moon. It's been like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest in work today.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 23/05/2024 19:49

Kjeri · 23/05/2024 19:41

Right.. alot of times it's the people closest to you that cause you harm. I would have freaked out straight away if he had let himself in !!

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No 2 people are ever going to respond in the same way, I know there are lots of people who would have straight up asked him to leave after following them into the kitchen. But I’m not an alarmist or a nervous person, I’m interested in people, I look for good, I give the benefit of doubt to a fault clearly, and I’m used to dealing with all kinds of unusual characters in my personal and in my work life. Also, as already discussed in this thread, stress responses, socialisation etc.

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LaughingCat · 23/05/2024 19:54

Motnight · 23/05/2024 19:36

Indeed. I am shocked at the victim blaming on here.

Same…it’s so easy to get sucked in through politeness. We’re taught not to shut the door in the face of a neighbour. Not to turn down a ‘reasonable’ if weird request for help. Isn’t that what ‘community’ is? And people are just weird…not dangerous…right? Right at the beginning, yeah, I’d second guess my spidey senses as well. Give them the benefit of the doubt…and he damn well knew that and took advantage. The blame lies with him, not the OP, who was just being nice and reacting in the moment as if he was a normal individual. There’s no need to make the OP out to be in the wrong somehow here - she made the best out of a very bad situation.

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 23/05/2024 19:58

LaughingCat · 23/05/2024 19:54

Same…it’s so easy to get sucked in through politeness. We’re taught not to shut the door in the face of a neighbour. Not to turn down a ‘reasonable’ if weird request for help. Isn’t that what ‘community’ is? And people are just weird…not dangerous…right? Right at the beginning, yeah, I’d second guess my spidey senses as well. Give them the benefit of the doubt…and he damn well knew that and took advantage. The blame lies with him, not the OP, who was just being nice and reacting in the moment as if he was a normal individual. There’s no need to make the OP out to be in the wrong somehow here - she made the best out of a very bad situation.

Thank you ❤️

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Cityandmakeup · 23/05/2024 19:59

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Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 20:07

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 23/05/2024 19:49

No 2 people are ever going to respond in the same way, I know there are lots of people who would have straight up asked him to leave after following them into the kitchen. But I’m not an alarmist or a nervous person, I’m interested in people, I look for good, I give the benefit of doubt to a fault clearly, and I’m used to dealing with all kinds of unusual characters in my personal and in my work life. Also, as already discussed in this thread, stress responses, socialisation etc.

You ignored your instincts. Bad decision

1HappyTraveller · 23/05/2024 20:07

Didn’t make it half way through the second paragraph as didn’t really need to. This is creepy AF!!!

Would honestly copy and paste your initial post and send it to a friend in case something happens 😳

Toebeanzornottoebeanz · 23/05/2024 20:10

Nettie1964 · 23/05/2024 20:07

You ignored your instincts. Bad decision

Appreciate the input.

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