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To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?

330 replies

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 00:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5dc99960-be22-448d-ae42-371a058dce7f?shareToken=810c030b858153875ba6f64bd858ed8d

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This is an absolute nightmare of a case. If you've not been aware of it before now it's time to wake up and take a hard look at what is happening in women's support services across the UK. There seems to be a concerted effort to dismantle women's boundaries and withdraw support from vulnerable women who need spaces away from men.

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CampervanKween · 20/05/2024 16:26

Bloody disgrace. He should never have been there to be able to wield such power. I have nothing but contempt for those who enabled him.

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 16:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:23

oooooooh yeah I dropped “the Equality Act” in there, wasn’t that oh so superior! Pull the other one.

You did present your opinion as if it was the be all and end all and we were being "discriminatory" ourselves for daring to say that they should have had a female CEO. But now you've clarified that you're just giving your wot I reckon opinion and you don't actually know any better than people who disagree, then no problem 🤷‍♀️

Yes, it is my opinion that the opinion the role of CEO must be filled by a female is sex discrimination.

I am not a high court judge so my opinion is of the same weight as any other member of the public.

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 16:28

MW peaked tonnes of people the first time he came to public attention with the 'reframe your trauma' message.

I expect this will be round two

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:29

Yes, hopefully @TheKeatingFive

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 16:29

Scottish political commentator Wings over Scotland:

'The question that@EdinRapeCrisis
, Rape Crisis Scotland,@Edinburgh_CC
, and the@scotgov
should all be being asked today is "How can a biological and legal MAN who was the driver of a systematic campaign of harassment of a woman possibly continue to head a rape crisis centre?"'

'Brindley's pathetic response so far has been to announce an "independent review" into ERCC's behaviour under Wadhwa. What the fuck do they think the tribunal was if not an "independent review"? Its judgement was excoriating. What more do they need to know?'

https://x.com/WingsScotland/status/1792451987256336850

And a historic article on the situation:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/waiting-for-the-men/

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https://x.com/WingsScotland/status/1792451987256336850

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 16:30

IfMichaelMosleysVoiceWasWrittenasMusicalScore · 20/05/2024 16:23

I remember the women who posted on MN that they were counselled by this male person. And that they spent the time looking at their phone and not paying attention to the woman they were supposed to be counselling.

@Helleofabore am I correct in remembering one woman said he had also laughed during her 'counselling' session?

The users of rape crisis centres have few choices of where to go for single-sex care, and MW didn't care about that at all.

@DodoPatrol I think he cared very much because where would he be without women suffering all the more because of him and his control?

This is the impression I got too from reading the proceedings.
MW was clearly not doing the CEO role they were hired to do.
They abused the power of their position to take advantage of vulnerable rape victims (likely for prurient reasons) and bully their staff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:30

WOS at his best when calling out these people.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 16:32

Legal Feminist:

''The Tribunal concluded that Mridul Wadha had an agenda to “cleanse the organisation” of those who did not adhere to an institutional view which was “at the very extreme end of gender identity theory”.''

https://x.com/legalfeminist/status/1792496382454165857

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https://x.com/legalfeminist/status/1792496382454165857

nauticant · 20/05/2024 16:33

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:24

Anyway, has anyone seen any reactions from the usual suspects?

https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1792507192660131841

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:34

@nauticant

I won't be able to see it but I can only imagine.

cordeliachaseatemyhandbag · 20/05/2024 16:34

Yanbu

nauticant · 20/05/2024 16:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:34

@nauticant

I won't be able to see it but I can only imagine.

Joseph Goebbels would have been impressed by himself had he drafted Willoughby's analysis of the case.

Rainbowshit · 20/05/2024 16:37

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 16:32

Legal Feminist:

''The Tribunal concluded that Mridul Wadha had an agenda to “cleanse the organisation” of those who did not adhere to an institutional view which was “at the very extreme end of gender identity theory”.''

https://x.com/legalfeminist/status/1792496382454165857

Imagine it was any other protected characteristic? Imagine a tribunal found the CEO wanted to cleanse the organisation of black or disabled people, Jews or Muslims? It absolutely would be a sacking offence. MW must go.

akkakk · 20/05/2024 16:38

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 16:26

Yes, it is my opinion that the opinion the role of CEO must be filled by a female is sex discrimination.

I am not a high court judge so my opinion is of the same weight as any other member of the public.

Edited

Other than those members of the public who can read legislation and therefore know that is it not sex discrimination...

I said it was an opinion from the start. A CEO should not be doing front line services. The exCEO doing counselling of women was an abuse of power and inappropriate boundary crossing.

I am glad that you are now backing down to it just being an opinion from your so black and white earlier assertions... however I do wonder where you have gained your knowledge of CEOs from - the concept of a CEO having a partial caseload is not an abuse of power or inappropriate boundary crossing assuming that they are qualified to deliver that service - it is about remaining relevant and being able to lead an organisation with knowledge gained from current experience... Lots of head-teachers will still teach (e.g. in a secondary school they might have a year 7 or sixth form group in their subject for one or two lessons a week) - they can't do much more as they have a lot of other work to do, but it keeps them grounded in knowing what takes place in the classroom - rather than being isolated in an c-suite somewhere - and a school might have several hundred staff v. the < 40 we are discussing...

CEO means Chief Executive Officer - executive means doing...

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 16:39

https://kareningalasmith.com/2024/05/20/as-chief-executive-of-a-charity-part-of-your-job-is-to-set-the-tone/

'Within months of appointment, Wadhwa said ‘sexual violence happens to bigoted people as well’ and that ERCC service users would have to rethink their relationship with prejudice if they brought views that the charity believed to be discriminatory. This, as the tribunal showed, became a condition of accessing support. In a later interview, Wadhwa revealed that ‘large groups of survivors’, who did not want to be exposed to men with transgender identities, were not using ERCC services. He did not appear to see this as a problem.

It is to the detriment of the specialist sector supporting women victims of sexual and domestic violence and abuse, and sexual exploitation, that the feminist activist roots and the political nature of the work is being detangled in too many cases from service provision. For me the sector has to frame our work within efforts to end men’s violence against women as a cause and consequence of sex inequality. If we can’t say what a woman is, we can’t end sex inequality.'

Thank you, Karen Ingala Smith.

As Chief Executive of a charity, part of your job is to set the tone

Me on Mridul Wadhwa and Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre I am so pleased to hear that the Employment Tribunal for Roz Adams against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) has agreed that Roz Adams was sub…

https://kareningalasmith.com/2024/05/20/as-chief-executive-of-a-charity-part-of-your-job-is-to-set-the-tone

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 16:41

nauticant · 20/05/2024 16:37

Joseph Goebbels would have been impressed by himself had he drafted Willoughby's analysis of the case.

India's grasp of reality grown weaker with every passing day

WoshPank · 20/05/2024 16:41

TheKeatingFive · 20/05/2024 16:28

MW peaked tonnes of people the first time he came to public attention with the 'reframe your trauma' message.

I expect this will be round two

Let's hope so! What a totally useless dickhead.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 16:49

Far less reasonable than the thread I posted from r/Scotland, full of TRA tantrumming that she was using "dog whistles"

www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/s/u6XMDpqha5

nauticant · 20/05/2024 16:54

They won't be happy that JK Rowling has tweeted then:

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1792528604384887255

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 17:02

Women who requested female-only care were turned away and there was a policy never to refer them to Beira's Place, a rape crisis centre founded by JK Rowling which offers a female-only service. Those who wrote to ERCC about female-only care were classed as bigots and their emails were stored
in a folder called "Hate emails".

x.com/wingsscotland/status/1792541578545725735?s=46

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ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 17:07

'it would be nice, for once, to see the Scottish government speaking up for the women who've been subject to unlawful discrimination for defending their sex-based rights, and to hear the government condemn, rather than side with, those conducting the witch hunts'

JK Rowling.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1792531196338917800

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https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1792531196338917800

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 20/05/2024 17:07

Believe it or not, but a legal advisor decides if you can advertise a job with a GOR or not. It’s not a case of if you advertise it, then it’s legal!

I'm aware of that. I didn't think that explicitly needed pointing out. You didn't appear to understand that.

Anyway...

VestaTilley · 20/05/2024 17:09

YANBU, he’s a disgrace and should never have been hired in the first place. How people don’t see what a full scale attack this is on women I will never know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2024 17:10

They won't be happy that JK Rowling has tweeted then:

No, I think we can safely assume that.

Verv · 20/05/2024 17:10

He should never have been hired, and he needs to F off as far away from vulnerable women as possible, and take his agenda with him.