To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?

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This is an absolute nightmare of a case. If you've not been aware of it before now it's time to wake up and take a hard look at what is happening in women's support services across the UK. There seems to be a concerted effort to dismantle women's boundaries and withdraw support from vulnerable women who need spaces away from men.

front line service provision is never the role of a CEO in any charity or business ever

What exactly is your experience of business / running an organisation - do you really believe this despite the evidence of millions of businesses which prove that you are wrong?!

I'm not sure why we're even engaging with @IbisDancer clear misinformation

It looks like a super transparent attempt to distract from this disgraceful situation

Rape Crisis Centres are big enough to not require the CEO to moonlight as a front line support worker.

I disagree on “any small to middle”. I note you used “client”, clients are not typically the ultimate service users or end users/customers.

My logic is not different from “everyone else in the world”- what an extremist comment that is.

That is your experience then? Millions of businesses.

Not really. I posted a longer comment and one part caused umbrage amongst a number of posters because I dared to suggest a CEO is not a role that should be restricted to the female sex. If there were tolerance of a variety of opinions, then there wouldn’t be the personal attacks.

their annual accounts to end of March 2023 show FTE employees of 35 up from 28 the year before - including the CEO and others in 'senior management' that is a small organisation and very normal where services are being offered for the CEO to have some time allocated to doing that to keep in touch and relevant.

Your assertion:

front line service provision is never the role of a CEO in any charity or business ever

is clearly incorrect - even Richard Branson - CEO of a much bigger organisation is often on the frontline - as are most modern CEOs...

but it is great to know that you have it all tidily packaged up and have decided the best way for the millions of small businesses and charities to operate - I wonder whether you should be out telling them though as most of them don't seem to have heard your message that front line service provision is never the role of a CEO in any charity or business ever

I might even have to remember that in my own business where I am not the sole person, but I am CEO and I am still very involved with my clients - no way otherwise of keeping in touch...

Anyone who publicly states that “bigoted” rape victims who need to “reframe their trauma” in order to have their “prejudices challenged” has absolutely no business being anywhere near a sexual abuse survivors charity. CEO or otherwise. To suggest otherwise is inhuman.

So, given the “logic” abounding.

Should the Directors of every U.K. Police Sexual Crimes Unit in the country also be females only?

The Head of every maternity unit, must be a female OB/GYN too?

Plenty of tolerance of opinions - but you made clear that yours wasn't an opinion but the absolute and definitive fact that no CEO ever needs to be involved with their end users - people are no doubt confused as to where this comes from because looking at the millions of small businesses and charities out there - or other organisations such as schools / sporting teams / etc. it is clear that the norm is for the CEO to be actively involved with the end user...

and that is very relevant here when a man takes a role specifically advertised for a woman - a role dealing with victims of rape...

Not only that, but to actively withold information about suitable services available.

This man had absolutely no concern for the poor women he was supposed to be serving. All he cared about was his own power trip

@akkakk
”even Richard Branson - CEO of a much bigger organisation is often on the frontline - as are most modern CEOs...”

Oh my word, are you seriously calling their stated photo ops for advertising actually being on the front line? Do you also believe that Boris Johnson can drive a tractor and was on the front line farming Britain? Or Rishi Sunak was actually cutting keys in Timpsons?

I volunteered for a small-to-medium sized charity where the CEO was not directly involved with clients. She ran the service and managed the staff and volunteers, funders and fundraising, and that was fine. That was the basis on which I didn't make a fuss when MW was recruited. I could imagine ways in which a TW CEO could respect a women's service and might also expand the service to include other people who needed it.

Unfortunately MW didn't do that. Instead MW encouraged discrimination and mismanaged the organisation so I don't know if it can recover whether MW leaves or not. It wasn't just MW, it was a collection of enablers and extremists both inside and outside the organisation. e.g. Maggie Chapman shares responsibilty for ERCC becoming a busted flush.

As for the recruitment of MW - the Equality and Human Rights Commission acknowledged that under the Equality Act 2010 it was illegal discrimation to advertise a job for a woman and employ a transwoman instead. But they decided not intervene because in their view the only people who might suffer discrimination were the men who might otherwise have applied for the role. Well that turned out nicely.

Do you think that Boris Johnson was CEO of a farm?
Or Rishi Sunak the CEO of a Shoe repair chain?

No - they were / are 'CEO' of government - whose end users include farmers and those cutting keys - they were doing exactly what you claim no CEO should ever do - spending time with their 'end-user' to keep in touch...

good self-goal though 😁

If those positions were advertised as 'female only', then yes. Like the CEO of ERC advertisement was.

I said it was an opinion from the start. A CEO should not be doing front line services. The exCEO doing counselling of women was an abuse of power and inappropriate boundary crossing.

I don’t think that is at all ok, no matter the sex of the CEO.

These victims deserve to have one therapist that they can talk to with complete privacy. A CEO can’t take on a case load, so doing ad hoc spot “counselling” to keep their skills sharp or what ever excuse would be at the detriment of the victims. The victims would be retraumatised having to talk to their support worker therapist and then repeat or be pressured into reliving and retelling for “the CEO’s benefit.”

because I dared to suggest a CEO is not a role that should be restricted to the female sex

You didn't "suggest it" you presented your opinion as superior legal knowledge.

@AmaryllisNightAndDay
That is what a CEO should be doing. MW abused the role.

oooooooh yeah I dropped “the Equality Act” in there, wasn’t that oh so superior! Pull the other one.

Believe it or not, but a legal advisor decides if you can advertise a job with a GOR or not. It’s not a case of if you advertise it, then it’s legal!

Trust me, if it were the case that anything goes so long as you advertise it that way job adverts would be saying “Infosys CFO- this post is reserved for Sunak Jr. Ta”

oooooooh yeah I dropped “the Equality Act” in there, wasn’t that oh so superior! Pull the other one.

You did present your opinion as if it was the be all and end all and we were being "discriminatory" ourselves for daring to say that they should have had a female CEO. But now you've clarified that you're just giving your wot I reckon opinion and you don't actually know any better than people who disagree, then no problem 🤷‍♀️

I remember the women who posted on MN that they were counselled by this male person. And that they spent the time looking at their phone and not paying attention to the woman they were supposed to be counselling.

@Helleofabore am I correct in remembering one woman said he had also laughed during her 'counselling' session?

The users of rape crisis centres have few choices of where to go for single-sex care, and MW didn't care about that at all.

@DodoPatrol I think he cared very much because where would he be without women suffering all the more because of him and his control?

I see how my comment of CEOs should never be doing front line services has morphed into a vague “spending time” in same room as end users.

You have clearly never been part of these photo ops. They are staged. No keys are cut. No field was plowed. No virgin aircraft had Branson handing out bags of pretzels to economy passengers. No front line service was done.

Anyway, has anyone seen any reactions from the usual suspects?

@Helleofabore am I correct in remembering one woman said he had also laughed during her 'counselling' session?

Yes, and scrolled on phone.

Nope. Twitter is awfully quiet too