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To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?

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WandsOut · 20/05/2024 00:59

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5dc99960-be22-448d-ae42-371a058dce7f?shareToken=810c030b858153875ba6f64bd858ed8d

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This is an absolute nightmare of a case. If you've not been aware of it before now it's time to wake up and take a hard look at what is happening in women's support services across the UK. There seems to be a concerted effort to dismantle women's boundaries and withdraw support from vulnerable women who need spaces away from men.

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ickky · 20/05/2024 17:18

So happy to read this Judgement, hopefully it will help getting MW sacked for Gross Misconduct, it would be fitting.

I listened to the evidence at the Tribunal and every one of the respondent's witnesses were sycophants, all told the Judge what a wonderful woman MW is, after not being asked this question. All completely captured by gender ideology.

MW did not give evidence, which the tribunal drew negative inference.

The board members are very young and not much experience and I believe were all appointed by MW.

They whole lot need to go and be replaced with people that centre the victims of sexual violence and not a place to display your virtue and allyship.

DodoPatrol · 20/05/2024 17:31

Mridul may well see himself** as wonderful, may truly believe that he's there to convert people to see the importance of gender, may genuinely feel that this outweighs every possible disadvantage to the users of the services. He may have no ulterior motive at all beyond that. It barely matters.

He still led the service into a state where active disadvantage to the users was ignored and those who pointed it out were vilified. So, however sincere his motives, he should go.

** Legally male, as well as biologically, I believe.

Getonwitit · 20/05/2024 17:39

He is a disgrace and needs sacking.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/05/2024 17:43

IW has not read the same judgement as other people. Screenshots from the FWS Twitter feed.

To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?
To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?
To think that the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis should be fired?
WandsOut · 20/05/2024 17:43

ickky · 20/05/2024 17:18

So happy to read this Judgement, hopefully it will help getting MW sacked for Gross Misconduct, it would be fitting.

I listened to the evidence at the Tribunal and every one of the respondent's witnesses were sycophants, all told the Judge what a wonderful woman MW is, after not being asked this question. All completely captured by gender ideology.

MW did not give evidence, which the tribunal drew negative inference.

The board members are very young and not much experience and I believe were all appointed by MW.

They whole lot need to go and be replaced with people that centre the victims of sexual violence and not a place to display your virtue and allyship.

Do we have a list of the board members and their affiliations?

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DodoPatrol · 20/05/2024 17:49

India Willoughby will never be able to see a women's viewpoint on this. IW's views are not worth giving headspace, as they only ever consider the trans side, not the female side.

nauticant · 20/05/2024 17:52

WandsOut · 20/05/2024 17:43

Do we have a list of the board members and their affiliations?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC291742/officers

Arraminta · 20/05/2024 17:53

Am so sick and tired of men cosplaying at being women whilst telling actual women that their experiences aren't relevant.

WoshPank · 20/05/2024 17:54

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/05/2024 17:43

IW has not read the same judgement as other people. Screenshots from the FWS Twitter feed.

Dear me, is India identifying as a legal expert today?

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 17:58

WoshPank · 20/05/2024 17:54

Dear me, is India identifying as a legal expert today?

If so, India is not passing.

ickky · 20/05/2024 17:59

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 17:58

If so, India is not passing.

It was ever thus.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 18:10

https://www.writetothem.com/

For those in Scotland, if you want to ask for an enquiry into what is going on in Rape Crisis Scotland and/or ERCC, writing to your MSP may be a good start.

WriteToThem

WriteToThem is a website which provides an easy way to contact MPs, councillors and other elected representatives.

https://www.writetothem.com

Airdustmoon · 20/05/2024 18:10

Having read the judgment in full, AB also needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Mirabai · 20/05/2024 18:24

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TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 20/05/2024 18:24

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pottydimley · 20/05/2024 18:27

Yes, absolutely. Shouldn't have been appointed in the first place.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 20/05/2024 18:27

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Arraminta · 20/05/2024 18:31

A GRC is just a piece of paper, not an X chromosome.

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 20/05/2024 18:42

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 15:55

Not really. I posted a longer comment and one part caused umbrage amongst a number of posters because I dared to suggest a CEO is not a role that should be restricted to the female sex. If there were tolerance of a variety of opinions, then there wouldn’t be the personal attacks.

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Can you give us some reasons why a man might make a more suitable CEO at a RCC?

FOJN · 20/05/2024 19:32

IbisDancer · 20/05/2024 15:35

Thank you for assuming I am uninformed.

A CEO is not a role that requires they do any personal or intimate care or service for women in which privacy is needed. A CEO should only be interacting with upper management, they should not be doing any F2F with front line support workers or service users at all.

In your smear test example, the comparable isn’t the nurse doing the smear test, but the head GP of your surgery. Do you think the head GP should be a woman because they supervise nurses doing smear tests in the same building?

I think the case law is trending more towards my opinion in regards upper management roles like CEO.

I agree that no one should be refused help like happened at Edinburgh.

No one should be forced or asked to see a male support worker if they want a female one, or turned away if they refuse.

I agree a GOR for female only support workers would apply to a rape crisis centre for women.

But not to the CEO role.

No problem, happy to state the obvious.

Do you think that the CEO of a multi national cooperation does the same things day to day as a the CEO of small business. You seem unable to differentiate between a large company and a charity. There may be very little in the way of "senior management" between the executive board and employees in smaller organisations so a CEO will quite likely deal face to face with non management employees and clients. Source - two CEO's of small/medium businesses of my acquaintance.

In my example the management at my GP surgery would not accuse me of bigotry for requesting a woman to do my smear test so no I wouldn't give a shit what sex they are. FYI GP surgeries employ practice managers so that doctors can stick to medicine.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 19:32

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Well, yes, I agree. But given that he is just as much a man as any other man, he has no claim or legal right whatsoever for taking that job.

Idra · 20/05/2024 19:57

This judgement must be so difficult for the management and funders connected to Edinburgh Rate Crisis. I sincerely hope they are able to reframe their trauma.

Idra · 20/05/2024 20:00

Airdustmoon · 20/05/2024 18:10

Having read the judgment in full, AB also needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

“Overblown” is what the judgement says. I agree.

DungareesAndTrombones · 20/05/2024 20:06

Arraminta · 20/05/2024 17:53

Am so sick and tired of men cosplaying at being women whilst telling actual women that their experiences aren't relevant.

This with bells and fucking whistles on.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 20/05/2024 20:11

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2024 19:32

Well, yes, I agree. But given that he is just as much a man as any other man, he has no claim or legal right whatsoever for taking that job.

Absolutely. If there were any doubt in my post, I'm sorry.