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The Australians hate women and girls?

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

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SeriaMau · 19/05/2024 14:49

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

Yes, and it’s no near as good as Mrs Brown’s Boys, the cutting edge satire we have in the UK.

Growlybear83 · 19/05/2024 14:52

queenparrot · 19/05/2024 14:26

Have you heard about Benny Hill? This Australian show was screened in 2007. I think your outrage is misplaced. It's just a silly comedy show, with the main actor playing multiple roles.

Benny Hill was one of my favourites when I was younger. I saw an old repeat recently and I still think it's still funny.

echt · 19/05/2024 14:54

The Australians hate women and girls

What? All of them? The women and girls too?

FreeRider · 19/05/2024 15:00

@echt

Oh yeah, I'm an Australian woman and I hate women and girls.

;-)

Butchyrestingface · 19/05/2024 15:05

Did you KNOW the series was made over a decade ago when you started a thread entitled "Australians hate women and girls", @Greengablesfables ?

Codlingmoths · 19/05/2024 15:06

This was close to 20 years Ago, and wasn’t about a man playing a teenage girl, it was a man playing ALL the characters which is pretty classic theatre method. Nothing else about it was classic, but as a private school Aussie it did nail many features of our life which is often the essence of humor. Good luck with deciding the world is ending and the feminists have failed women because of one show nearly two decades ago. I do think you could look around and find bigger problems, also yes many examples of Australia’s attitude to women that actually do genuinely show there is a problem.

FreeRider · 19/05/2024 15:09

I only saw a couple of them, but it really did bring back some memories of being at a Private Girl's High School in Oz back in the early 80s.

Like someone posted upstream, I really don't think Brits can comment on this type of programme, as long as Little Britain and Mrs Browns Boys are still with us...

maddening · 19/05/2024 15:20

Australia has been misogynistic and racist for ever - they try and package themselves as progressive but it is still there

TerrorAustralis · 19/05/2024 15:27

maddening · 19/05/2024 15:20

Australia has been misogynistic and racist for ever - they try and package themselves as progressive but it is still there

Only since the British arrived, but please do go on.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:33

Codlingmoths · 19/05/2024 15:06

This was close to 20 years Ago, and wasn’t about a man playing a teenage girl, it was a man playing ALL the characters which is pretty classic theatre method. Nothing else about it was classic, but as a private school Aussie it did nail many features of our life which is often the essence of humor. Good luck with deciding the world is ending and the feminists have failed women because of one show nearly two decades ago. I do think you could look around and find bigger problems, also yes many examples of Australia’s attitude to women that actually do genuinely show there is a problem.

I’m aware that this is a tiny if not now insignificant programme (I thought it was closer to ten yrs old, not twenty) showing the disdain with which a lot of men find women. And seemingly, how a lot of women find women too.

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maddening · 19/05/2024 15:34

TerrorAustralis · 19/05/2024 15:27

Only since the British arrived, but please do go on.

Fair enough- 95% of the Australian population has been misogynistic and racist since its inception as Australia and it remains to be so.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:34

Probably why we’re having this issue with men in women’s spaces. Some women don’t seem to find this infringement of our rights a problem at all.

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:36

PandaPacer · 19/05/2024 15:33

YABU re Summer Heights High OP.

However YANBU re your general point re societal impact on women - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/29/30-spike-in-rate-of-australian-women-killed-by-intimate-partner-last-year-data-shows

Wow. Wonder how those number relate to the UKs number. Here approx 2 women a week are killed by a man.

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PoppingTomorrow · 19/05/2024 15:38

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:49

Yeah. It’s supposed to be funny. Spare me. It’s misogynistic crap. No I’m a state school girl. It’s not about the school.

It’s about the fact it’s a middle aged man dressed as a school girl, dehumanising and ridiculing teenage girls 🤮

He also wrote it. Course he did. Grim.

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It doesn't "dehumanise" teenage girls, what are you on about?

Did you share the outrage for Vicki Pollard? The Inbetweeners?

Iamthemoom · 19/05/2024 15:39

The portrayal of teenage girls in tv drama and comedy is almost exclusively tropes. If you never met a real teenage girl and only watched tv you would believe they are all bitchy, mean, sullen, vacuous, dumb, hateful to their mothers, only interested in social media. My teenage daughter is none of those things.
I work in TV and you know what happens when I try and challenge these portrayals? I get asked to change for the tropes everyone seems so comfortable with or to remove the character altogether because 'no one cares about this character'. It seems in my experience teenage girls are only allowed to exist in tv drama & comedy if they conform to the tropes that predominantly (but not exclusively) male tv execs feel comfortable with. I can't tell you how many arguments I've had at work about this.

Corksoles · 19/05/2024 15:41

I know it's just a stupid TV programme, but I find the levels of unspoken misogyny in MAFSAU pretty jaw dropping. Esp after they've had their arses handed to them on a plate for setting up abusive relationships. Still, men drag down women and women get frightened and the experts are concentrating on how 'broken' the gaslighting men on the show are. Women are picked to fix men. And are generally supposed to be the emotional (and domestic) chore bearers.

Not saying all that isn't true in the UK too, but it seems much less hidden in Australian version.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:42

FreeRider · 19/05/2024 15:09

I only saw a couple of them, but it really did bring back some memories of being at a Private Girl's High School in Oz back in the early 80s.

Like someone posted upstream, I really don't think Brits can comment on this type of programme, as long as Little Britain and Mrs Browns Boys are still with us...

@FreeRider
Oh god i’d forgotten about little Britain. I never watched that either but saw clips. Repulsive.

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:44

PoppingTomorrow · 19/05/2024 15:38

It doesn't "dehumanise" teenage girls, what are you on about?

Did you share the outrage for Vicki Pollard? The Inbetweeners?

It does. Never watched either of those. But know what you’re talking about ref pollard. Repulsive. Inbetweeners I’ve never seen or heard much about.

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TerrorAustralis · 19/05/2024 15:46

maddening · 19/05/2024 15:34

Fair enough- 95% of the Australian population has been misogynistic and racist since its inception as Australia and it remains to be so.

The fact that I’m 95% sure that you believe this is 100% ironic.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:51

Iamthemoom · 19/05/2024 15:39

The portrayal of teenage girls in tv drama and comedy is almost exclusively tropes. If you never met a real teenage girl and only watched tv you would believe they are all bitchy, mean, sullen, vacuous, dumb, hateful to their mothers, only interested in social media. My teenage daughter is none of those things.
I work in TV and you know what happens when I try and challenge these portrayals? I get asked to change for the tropes everyone seems so comfortable with or to remove the character altogether because 'no one cares about this character'. It seems in my experience teenage girls are only allowed to exist in tv drama & comedy if they conform to the tropes that predominantly (but not exclusively) male tv execs feel comfortable with. I can't tell you how many arguments I've had at work about this.

Wow. I’m not surprised. It's a man’s world. Many women are happy to keep it that way. Sad.

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 15:51

Corksoles · 19/05/2024 15:41

I know it's just a stupid TV programme, but I find the levels of unspoken misogyny in MAFSAU pretty jaw dropping. Esp after they've had their arses handed to them on a plate for setting up abusive relationships. Still, men drag down women and women get frightened and the experts are concentrating on how 'broken' the gaslighting men on the show are. Women are picked to fix men. And are generally supposed to be the emotional (and domestic) chore bearers.

Not saying all that isn't true in the UK too, but it seems much less hidden in Australian version.

Yes. Totally agree. It’s in the U.K. version too, but not as obvious. Just like you said.

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SnickersWasAHorse · 19/05/2024 15:58

I’m as GC as they come but I can’t get worked up over this.

It’s old, and he was playing this character along with many others.

How do you stand on Derry Girls of you don’t like people pretending to be teenagers? Also how have you never heard of The Inbetweeners? I can only assume you have just woken from a very long sleep and have been catching up on things to be outraged about over the last 20 years.

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 16:43

@SnickersWasAHorse

😂 what?

Ref the inbetweeners I said I’d never seen or heard - much - about. It’s all there in the post.

Derry girls I’ve also heard of but never watched. Is it strange to you I don’t watch much tv?

‘People pretending to be teenagers’- is that middle aged men pretending to be teenage girls? Because that’s what I was talking about in the OP.

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Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 16:48

Moonshine5 · 19/05/2024 11:36

I remember recently reading an article re: females in Australia prisons - there were severe restriction on menstruation products.

What?? Disgraceful. Men in charge

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