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The Australians hate women and girls?

252 replies

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

The Australians hate women and girls?
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Mrsjayy · 19/05/2024 11:32

OssieShowman · 19/05/2024 11:26

It’s a send up. Obviously not everyone’s cup of tea. Got to ‘get’ Aussie sense of humour.
I personally can’t stand Chris Lilley. This show is very old now. From 2013.

I have not seen Chris Lilly for years except for memes on the Internet 😀 I don't know if he's fallen out of favour or not, but comedy seems to have moved on .

Boxerdor · 19/05/2024 11:35

This show is soooo old now. I remember watching it years ago- it is of little Britain time so yeah hasn’t aged well. Although the drama teacher was hilarious

Moonshine5 · 19/05/2024 11:36

I remember recently reading an article re: females in Australia prisons - there were severe restriction on menstruation products.

Einwegflasche · 19/05/2024 11:37

AgentJohnson · 19/05/2024 10:31

Wow. These replies tell me why we have a woman problem.

Rather, that you have a problem with people not agreeing with you. If what you’ve written above is your only way to counter their opinion/ arguments, then I would say you’re the one who has a problem with people who challenge your beliefs.

This particular OP has accused women with different views than her of 'being men' on a previous thread. Take from that what you will.

DanielGault · 19/05/2024 11:38

TerrorAustralis · 19/05/2024 10:55

Aha! Irrefutable proof that the British hate women and girls!

And comedy!

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 19/05/2024 11:42

What sort of bonkers name is Ja’mie anyway?

Pippa246 · 19/05/2024 11:42

Usernameisnotavailable0 · 19/05/2024 09:50

Maybe watch it first before getting your knickers in a twist.

The main actor does several parodies, a different one is a self obsessed, camp, drama teacher.

I find both hilarious and am a feminist.

This. I am very gender critical and love this programme. It is a parody in which no particular sex/class/ethnic culture is spared.

InsomniacA · 19/05/2024 11:47

I pity people like you. And I feel sad to live in a culture where it is so easy to 'cancel' an artist or their work simply by slinging certain buzzwords of accusation against them, by those who haven't even viewed or read their work in its entirety.

It is frankly stupid of you to bleat your ill-informed opinions on a series you haven't even watched in full.

The actor portraying Ja'mie in the same series and other projects he's done also plays: teen boys, adult straight men, adult gay men, adult women, and more. By your flawed line of reasoning, this actor's worst must be 'dehumanising and ridiculing' teenage girls, teenage boys, adult men, and adult women. Is that about right then? Maybe read up on exactly what 'satire' is meant to do, then look into the actor's entire body of work for a more balanced and informed analysis.

Ja'mie and her cast of supporting family and friends function to satirise social class snobbery. The actors portrayals of teen boys, adult men, and adult women touch upon this and other themes.

InsomniacA · 19/05/2024 11:49

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 19/05/2024 11:42

What sort of bonkers name is Ja’mie anyway?

Lol, she likes to explain that it used to be Jamie, but she added the apostrophe.

ByKindOpalPoet · 19/05/2024 11:50

Bloody hell, you are over a decade late with this faux outrage.
I remember watching episodes at university. Jeez why are you are posting about this now?

SonicTheHodgeheg · 19/05/2024 11:57

This programme is really old - like Little Britain old.

Yabu to assume that all Australians are representative of one programme which has aged badly like Little Britain. If your hypothesis was true what does LB say about Brits ?

Cross dressing has been a comedy vehicle for decades eg pantomime dames. Do you think that they should go too?

LilyBartsHatShop · 19/05/2024 12:05

I clicked on this expecting a conversation about Tickle vs Giggle or states with sex self-ID legislation.
A roasting of Chris Lilley I did not expect!!
I love him, everything he's done. Can't imagine anyone producing his shows now, it's all incredibly offensive and laugh-as-you-cringe stuff.
Our only other comic genius is Paul Fenech and I'm very glad he's survived the rise of the-right-to-not-be-offended.

kitsuneghost · 19/05/2024 12:12

You are being ridiculous. Its just a comedy show not a societal statement. Go watch something else (maybe handmaid's tale may be more to your liking)

ilovesooty · 19/05/2024 12:13

ByKindOpalPoet · 19/05/2024 11:50

Bloody hell, you are over a decade late with this faux outrage.
I remember watching episodes at university. Jeez why are you are posting about this now?

But it hadn't come to her attention before. 🙄

TooBigForMyBoots · 19/05/2024 12:17

It has come to my attention...
🤣🤣🤣

Mrsjayy · 19/05/2024 12:21

I had a bit of a wiki search apparently some of his shows have been removed from Netflix so his shows haven't aged well.

Mrsjayy · 19/05/2024 12:22

Mrsjayy · 19/05/2024 12:21

I had a bit of a wiki search apparently some of his shows have been removed from Netflix so his shows haven't aged well.

And BBC iplayer.

OneTC · 19/05/2024 12:37

British people in general like to feel Australia is much worse than them because they don't like being the least popular people in the world

Newsenmum · 19/05/2024 12:41

It’s supposed to be satire. Also please don’t lump all Australians together. That’s like saying the whole uk loves Boris.

therealcookiemonster · 19/05/2024 12:43

it's just dumb comedy. not to my taste but I don't think it's particularly "woman hating"

DryFebEmma · 19/05/2024 12:50

Wait until you find out he also dresses up as a prison warden grandma, a Japanese mother, and a black rap star called S'mouse

DryFebEmma · 19/05/2024 12:51

Oh and not to forget the deaf teenage boy Daniel 😅

Hereyoume · 19/05/2024 12:53

Greengablesfables · 19/05/2024 09:41

It’s just come to my attention that there’s an Australian ‘satire’ 🤢 about a private girls school. The lead character is a girl played by a middle aged man. WTAF?? How is this ok?

‘… her character is written and acted by a thirty-nine year old man, projecting his own (outdated and dubious) idea of what teenage private school girls are like onto his performance. But whatever the reason for Ja’mie’s portrayal, there is no doubt that she is meant to be someone we cannot feel sympathy for and should not feel sympathy for. Lilley justifies us in laughing at Ja’mie, justifies us hating her. And by default, he opens the doors for us to hate on all teenage girls: the shallow, self-obsessed other to our purported multicultural and progressive society.

I hesitate to call Ja’mie: Private School Girl a satire, because its primary effect is to completely dehumanise and ridicule a single teenage girl to the point of hatred, rather than saying something about the mechanisms and ideologies that make her so revolting. At its best the series is puzzling and somewhat distasteful; at its worst, I think it does damage to the image of the teenage girl that real-life teenagers have to contend with. In a society that already has some very derisive views on what teenage girls are, I think we can do without Lilley’s attempts at satire, and some more novels like Beauty Queensinstead.’

Jesus OP

DON'T ever watch the League Of Gentlemen. You'll have a coronary!

Baby Cabs!

EmilyTjP · 19/05/2024 12:56

Here’s one of mumsnet’s militant feminists I was talking about

pointythings · 19/05/2024 13:01

The thing with dragging GC views into everything on MN is that ultimately it will have a 'boy who cried wolf' effect. People will simply be turned off and stop listening - including when it really matters, such as when discussing the implementation of the Cass report.