Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

This made me chuckle. Love Yorkshire and have good friends there. Can imagine them banging their bin lids!

I agree with the majority that the op is BU. And also that the people moving are unlikely to actually have been born in London. I also really like finding a fellow Londoner on occasion - it does seem more rare now that it's even more expensive.

But they don't buy local art and don't appreciate the local aesthetic. My town isn't big but it's full of people who moved from London etc and now no kids in the local comp have my accent...all posh. There are pop up food events weekly opposite the locally owned tea/bacon roll van.

The pubs are full of coke. Not the cola, the white powder. The rich man's drug of choice.

You struggle to get a place on the housing ladder if you are local. Horseiculture, is taking over forcing land prices to ridiculous levels (and the land management is dreadful leaving poor grazing, leading to increase in hay costs)

i live near Brighton and its become an utter shit hole - it's filthy, covered in sick and dog shit, so run down, hundreds of stag and hens.
The 90's were Brighton in its heyday - raves under the arches and in the old Sainsbury's, really cool underground clubs.

But i don't blame the Londoners, i blame the Greens.

The OP probably won't be back so I can say this - in the last 3 years 30% of properties for sale in my beautiful corner of Yorkshire have been bought by people moving up from London!

And thus it ever was. People moving, towns / villages changing because of new industries arriving, old ones failing. Your bigger issue is with change. You don’t like it. The world moves on while you imagine things fixed and immutable, as you like them. It’s a romantic notion. Brighton has had Londoners moving there for a good century or so now. Surprised you’re surprised

I for one thank the influx of Londoners for boosting the price of my home so that I can got and buy a house that has been inflated in price.

Same.

I kind of get the ‘creating a new community’.

One of DC’s will not be able to afford to buy. The other has, but has had to settle for a place that is rather run down. He doesn't have any local friends and there aren't any community groups or facilities.

I did have the mad idea that if enough of his young friends also bought there, they could create a new community. He would have friends, they could work together to develop the community and the facilities in the area. The bonus would be they would benefit from current cheap housing and also from a price rise over the long term.

Pie in the sky, I know but some areas have been left to rot and deserve to be reinvigorated.

Imagine if Londoners got cross about people moving there from out of London 😂

We are fine as we are actually OP
Love,
Hastings 😅

You are out of luck with Hastings OP we have the same problem.

But how’s the vibe?

Too right! My family have lived in London for about 8 generations in most cases (am doing my family tree at the moment) People have always moved here of course, but it gets worse and worse. And it really irritates me when people move here and call themselves "Londoners" I could move to Manchester and live there for the rest of my life, but I'd never be a Mancunian. I'd always be a Londoner who'd moved there.

I've talked on other threads about the issues of mass displacement (of Londoners, and other groups).

Mainly I've been addressing the problem of posters, who regularly on multiple different threads tell Londoners (or people from other areas where housing has been allowed to become unaffordable, or where there's limited work opportunities) to 'just move somewhere else'.

I was on a thread last week where several posters felt that affordable housing in London should only be for keyworkers. That would leave the question of where do other Londoners live? Obviously they'd have to move to other parts of the UK (terrible for them, as being displaced is very different from a willing move, and also impacts the areas they'd be mass displaced to).

The mass displacement 'solution' doesn't work. It simply moves the issues somewhere else, adding pressure on housing, public services or jobs there.

What's needed is addressing the root causes. Including the need to have, everywhere, good well-funded public services, more social housing, and work, education, and training opportunities.

Separately, although mass displacement is wrong, people should be able to move areas if they want to (that's different to being displaced unwillingly or out of desperation).

I've got friends here from other places (including from London, and also from abroad) and I like the mix we have here. Nothing wrong with some fresh faces and new friends and neighbours joining the community.

I hear you OP. but as others have said, people have been doing this for 25 years. Theyve also been moving from Brighton to Hastings for years because supposedly it's on the up. it still seems a bit shit there though.
I managed to get a place in Brighton and im on a low wage as is my dp, we nearly moved to hastings with the others 20 years ago. so glad we didnt

The financial input of London is basically what keeps the rest of the country afloat. In return when they lived there they would’ve paid more for their rent/mortgage, day to day living and so on. Try to see it holistically. I sort of know what you mean as I live in a pretty SW town that has had the same, but tbh the ‘locals’ can be so irritating I welcome the diversity

@CrushedOrange

These places definitely don't match up, but I'm tempted to do that as am quite energised by the idea of trying to grow a new community

Oh the irony

Moved out of Brighton for country life in 2016. Don’t miss it at all. Visiting nowadays makes me slightly depressed. We’re only 25 minutes up the road and it’s still not worth the journey frankly.

Our neighbours who are from the EU and the US told my DH he was the first real Londoner they'd ever met. They can barely understand him. 😂 And OP, if you think it's tough being a creative in Brighton, imagine what it's like for creatives trying to keep their heads above water in London.

We are a bit further west along the coast, and also call then DFLs. The main effect here is that no young people will ever be able to buy a house. The wages here are not very high but the house prices are ridiculous.

Were are you now? Lewes?

Please don’t move to York as you sound like a patronising twat

Hi OP. Are you Brighton born and bred, then? I can imagine it's hard seeing changes, as there is always an impact HOWEVER most of the Londoners you see are probably not born and bred.

What I have noticed is that true Londoners are actually quite chill and unpretentious. I am bias though, as I know many below average London earners who are absolutely 100% Londoners who were never going to stay and raise the next generation where they grew up due to cost. There are many where we live - I married one too 😜

so you and the people that lived in the same town are complaining about outsiders moving in and the solution is to move to another place and be an outsider yourself? Not only that you want to change the places you want to move to and liven them up

Exactly what's happened. 😜

To find a born and bred Londoner in London is rare.... we've all been priced out.