Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

😂😂 now you sound bitter and a bit pathetic. Stop moaning, you’ve got a roof over your head, work, friends, a blue sky and sea. Change your perspective…oh and stay where you are cos it really is ‘grim up North’ 😉

This made me laugh. I lived In Brighton in the 80s, and people were always complaining about people from London pushing up property prices and taking more than their fair share of street parking spaces. Plus ça change…

Liverpool is good for musicians. I gather some local lads did quite well around 60 years ago. Brexit has made moving to Europe considerably more difficult. NOT impossible but things that were 'rights' have to be worked for now.
Musicians appear all over the place in the UK and Europe (I happen to know because of what I do). I moved to France because I could not afford anywhere in the UK and having travelled and lived in various parts of England/Wales I did not think anywhere had a super advantage over others. I quite fancied North Wales BUT it was just too expensive.

I live in a place that is quickly becoming a London bolt hole and this rings true round here. You can spot a Londoner because they complain that this isn't London because it doesn't have x y and z but they do nothing to integrate with the local area other than force house prices up and fill up the local schools.

This. ^

Dfl is everywhere along the south

Well listen, I have lost interest in this thread now so will leave it here

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Lost interest = didn’t realise just how much of a dick of yourself you’d made 😉

I don't think Liverpool needs this unknown musician to give it some vibes!

Kind of a shame really because I could suggest places that are interesting and good for music across the Uk and Europe, such is the weird life I lead.

Oh come off it. Your landlord hasn't put up your rent in years while mine, in London, is increasing mine by 30% this year. Why else do you think I'm moving? Although the pleasure of annoying you makes up for it, a little.

So the people from London 'forcing the house prices up' are compelling unwitting local property sellers to accept sums well in excess of the value of their houses on pain of death, are they?

It couldn't be possible that the local sellers are a greedy bunch of cunts who think anyone moving from London must be minted and deserves to pay more for the same thing than somebody else?

In Wales there is now a 50% council tax premium on second homes. Someone I know is having to turn their second home into a business and let it out to holidaymakers. I think it’s fair enough.

After about 5 minutes every newcomer is brought into the London family and treated as a Londoner. This is why when they move elsewhere after a few years, people from other areas just assume they’ve always lived in London. There’s none of this not being accepted until you’re 3 generations deep stuff

I think that very much depends on what area you’re in, whether you fit in with the locals and what you ask for when you go to the local cafe. Most I know would cackle at anyone claiming they were a Londoner because they’d moved from the Home Counties to work in an advertising agency.

Don't go to Birmingham it's a shit hole. I managed to get away 3 years ago!

Yes, that made me laugh 🤣

You can’t bring a cottage anywhere. 😉

The second home premium also applies if the home isn't let out for half the year, so that's is difficult to achieve too.

Whatever you do, OP do not consider moving to Yorkshire (any part). We have no music at all apart from banging bin lids together and spend every weekend throwing beer and pork scratchings at artists. You'd hate it 👎

Are these actual Londoners or people who moved to London for a few yrs, had a dc and went back to areas they are from?

What about all the Londoners who are displaced by everyone moving to London? Plenty of threads on here about where dc should move to in London (often Clapham, that has really changed), no one pipes up with you will price out the locals.

Or who have moved out because of all the foreigners moving in who have changed the vibe?

I think that very much depends on what area you’re in, whether you fit in with the locals and what you ask for when you go to the local cafe. Most I know would cackle at anyone claiming they were a Londoner because they’d moved from the Home Counties to work in an advertising agency.

@Whothefuckdoesthat true 😆😆

You sound like such a Brighton cliche. Brighton has always been a little London by the sea, and pretty up itself too so it's not a matter of gentrification. It's often pricier than London (less house for your money) and much less diverse. It's also got no shortage of creatives so I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe they just don't want to play with you.

Londoners have been moving to Brighton in droves for at least two decades now - there was something called the Cheeky Guide published which told them which schools to go for, etc. So not sure why you're noticing this now? Patcham is full of born and bred Brightonians as are Mile Oak, Hangleton... it's not like everyone has moved. Are you Brighton born or did you (and your mates?) arrive as a student?

'The Londoners are all about consuming rather than producing.

They want to live somewhere where they can consume art and music on tap, but they don't want to make any of it themselves. They just want to buy it.'

You think they don't have art and music on tap in London?!