Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

[CrushedOrange]

NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

I think that the DFL influx to Brighton pre-dates the railway. Brighton Pavilion must stand as the ultimate DFL building project in the town. Basically its all been downhill since 1783 due to those pesky Londoners..................................

She bought a lovely cottage. You can bring a cottage anywhere. They're not portable

Are you suggesting I move to France to escape the SE England housing crisis? I guess drastic times call for drastic measures🤣

We have similar in North Somerset, Bristol has become too expensive to live in so people are moving south, doesn't seem to be such a problem in South Gloucestershire though.

There are also quite a few who moved further along the coast, like Hastings or Worthing. These places definitely don't match up, but I'm tempted to do that as am quite energised by the idea of trying to grow a new community, just trying to assess whether those places can be livened up though

Don’t be such a dick 🤣
This is surely a joke thread, that you want to complain about the change created by new residents, but your plan is to go and “liven up” (change someone else’s “vibe”) and “grow” 🤮 a new community to obliterate an existing one.

Plus, Brighton has been full of Londoners for years.

Not really sure what you mean? But my friends there include 2 musicians, 3 designers/artists, a photographer, a writer and a dancer. Creative enough for you?

Is it Frome? I ask because I was just about to post about it! Somerset is awful for this. Bruton, the same. I live about 10 miles from Frome.

In my head though Brighton is basically London by the Sea as someone said, so I can't get that excited about people moving within an hour train ride.

Well they can only be moving in because “locals” are moving out. Otherwise there would be no properties for them to buy or rent. Maybe your “locals” are moving to London? Why is it OK for them to move around but not people from London?

Some people work hard nearly all their lives so that they can eventually live by the coast.
Some people are lucky enough to be born and bred in a lovely seaside town.
You can't really have the easy - go with flow -life and expect the same level of income as someone grinding away for years unless you inherited money.
Would you want to live in a town where the houses are done up nice, after the scaffolding is removed? Or where there are lots of run down areas and unemployment?

''@CrushedOrange

The Londoners are all about consuming rather than producing.

They want to live somewhere where they can consume art and music on tap, but they don't want to make any of it themselves. They just want to buy it.

They don't contribute to anything except pushing prices up. Oh and I guess the pavements have fewer weeds.''

Again, that's nonsense.

Many artists, myself included, have moved out of London because of the lack of affordable studio spaces and extortionate housing costs.

You only have to look at Margate: a lot of artists have moved there for a more affordable lifestyle and are contributing to its cooler reputation of the past few years. New galleries and community projects have popped up because of it and many incomers are fully involved in the local creative community.

Same thing in Folkestone, Hastings, Ramsgate and Deal.

As people have commented already Brighton became cool because the gay community and other creatives/outsiders moved there and made it something interesting and vibrant, rather than another sleepy seaside town.

@Testina

This is surely a joke thread, that you want to complain about the change created by new residents, but your plan is to go and “liven up” (change someone else’s “vibe”) and “grow” 🤮 a new community to obliterate an existing one.

This. The lack of self awareness of @CrushedOrange is breathtaking.

So you think it’s OK for you to colonise other sleepy towns with your “vibe” but not for Londoners to do the same in Brighton?

Can you seriously not understand what a hypocrite you sound?

Yes, I know. And people move to Brighton because it’s where the sea is. People move about. It’s what they do.

She’s hardly in a position to be complaining about incoming Londoners (although I strongly suspect that these are people who have just lived in London, not Londoners. Not the same thing at all) when she’s considering moving a few miles down the road so they can experience her ‘vibe’.

Brought? Where from? That's quite extreme!

There’s a good chance that a lot of the Londoners you mentioned used to live in the area or have family there. London life feels quite transient for many. I suspect lots of people live there for between 5-10 years post graduation and then move out when they have their own families.

"What's in Hertfordshire? 😂"... More Londoners op! Many commuting in to London having been displaced from living there due to housing costs or outsiders moving and changing the "vibe".
It works quite well. We live in a similar place outside of London and commute in when necessary, we're considering a second home somewhere nice in the next few years for someone to froth about, although I promise not to go in and complain about all sorts of shit as per a pps town 😆

What?! You don't want them coming to your backward town and improving the vibe? 😉

😂😂

Well listen, I have lost interest in this thread now so will leave it here, but thanks for your ideas. And thanks to all the outraged DFLs who chipped in to give their perspective. Enjoy your weekend all! Go easy on the home improvements ;)

Waves at fellow born and bred Londoner! I get a little rush of excitement when someone tells me they were born in London, as it feels pretty rare.

OP I can guarantee you most of the people who’ve moved to Brighton probably lived in London for a significant chunk of their lives but moved there from elsewhere, and that’s fine, people can move where they like.

Also doesn’t it demonstrate how welcoming Londoner’s are to new people? After about 5 minutes every newcomer is brought into the London family and treated as a Londoner. This is why when they move elsewhere after a few years, people from other areas just assume they’ve always lived in London. There’s none of this not being accepted until you’re 3 generations deep stuff.

Why don’t you move to London OP? You might like its vibe. Although given the city is pretty much a collection of about 50 villages with their own vibes, I’m sure you’ll find something for yourself somewhere here.

Such a fickle vibe!!!

This is a bit of an odd point. If someone makes their living as a musician/artist, surely they need people who will pay to consume it? I understand that it helps creativity to be around other creatives, but it’d be impossible to make a living if no one came to see you play/bought your art.

Sorry yes absolutely we’ll stick to our bourgeois pursuits while you higher minded creative types go off and bring your vibe to the next bunch of lumpen proletariat.

😂

Literally nobody is moving to Brighton to listen to your and your mates' music.

How entertaining! I'm not sure about the OP mentioning Sheffield and Birmingham....was it because there's a music scene in those cities, or does she intend to introduce one to the appreciative indigenous folks?