Londoners have absolutely decimated my city

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NC as really outing.
I'm a musician and over the years I have seen what was a steady stream of londoners turn into a flood this year.
I'm so gutted. I know everybody has the right to live here but it has pushed so many of my friends out, artists and other musicians. It pisses me off that the whole reason these londoners moved here, they are also destroying.
I'm lucky as my landlord is really decent and hasn't put my rent up in years, so I can afford to stay here. But now I'm considering just leaving because of the vibe factor. It makes me really sad. I still gig a few times a week but the crowd is different. I miss my community, but now everybody is scattered as everyone who was pushed out has gone to different places.
I'm considering just jumping ship and moving on myself but I don't know where to go.
Today some more londoners moved into the street...The whole street is full of scaffolding as they seem to really love doing home improvements 😅
I know I sound really bitter. I guess I am. I don't know whether to stay or go, and of I go, where to?

Don't ever go to Abersoch in North Wales!!!

So the person would be Glaswegian but not like you are Glaswegian so basically people who have come to live in Glasgow, see it as their home and identity but they aren’t like you? Posters that are stating they are Londoners are saying that difference simply doesn’t exist and that growing up in London, going to school in London is irrelevant, even though it is our formative years. I don’t think your describing the same thing.

I would personally feel ridiculous suggesting that I am Glaswegian when I speak with a London accent.

That's sort of the issue with threads like this. Except it's the other way round. People not 'born and bred' from London are all Londoners the minute they move there, and remain labelled Londoners by resentful Locals elsewhere if they at a later stage move back out of London.

However they also get the option of labelling themselves or being accepted as 'born and bred' from Whichever Other Place they're originally from.

Whereas 'born and bred' Londoners, as seen in threads like this and elsewhere, aren't accepted as a Local if they move somewhere else (often moved not by choice but rather displaced due to London housing unaffordability). Those who aren't wealthy are also no longer welcome in London (due to the housing unaffordability).

That unequal and inconsistent labelling especially becomes an issue when it comes to social housing, which stipulares a need to be from a particular area. That's when the definition of who is a Londoner abruptly changes.

Those who moved to London have the option of self-removing their Londoner label if they need social housing. They can claim a local link to their original area. 'Born and bred' Londoners aren't allowed to, and with the massive movement of people to London (more than anywhere else in the UK and the consequent worse housing issues in the country), that's a massive problem for 'born and bred' Londoners.

It then adds insult to injury when there's 'London bashing' threads like this.

No the point is that they can become Glaswegian whether or not they were born here. All roads lead to Rome as they say. If they live in the city then they’re still Glaswegians to me. The term is inclusive of residents regardless of their origin, not just “natives” imo.

Why are you so worried about people who weren’t born in London calling themselves Londoners? Is there a special “True Londoner” badge being produced in limited numbers by Royal commission and you’re worried that you’ll miss out? Do you get a lollipop?

And again being born and growing up somewhere is not exactly the achievement of the year considering that little to no effort was required on your part. It doesn’t make you any more special or worthy than anyone else.

And again being born and growing up somewhere is not exactly the achievement of the year considering that little to no effort was required on your part. It doesn’t make you any more special or worthy than anyone else.

Tell that to all the people complaining about Londoners moving to their area and ruining it.

Tell that to all the people complaining about Londoners moving to their area and ruining it

I am and I have. See my earlier posts.

It seems to me there's inconsistency and hyprocisy about Londoners.

It shouldn't matter where someone's from and people should be able to move somewhere else in the UK, (whether to, or from London) and made to feel welcome.

However, it needs to be consistent. Either someone's a local because of living somewhere whether 'born and bred' or not. Or they're a local due to being 'born and bred', and whichever it is has to apply equally to London.

Related. The hypocrisy that's displayed in threads like this (and offline). People moan about priced out Londoners moving to 'their' area adding housing and job pressure. Ignoring that this is an issue that affected Londoners decades before anywhere else in the UK.

There's an urgent need for more social housing (and work opportunities) everywhere in the UK. This is needed full-stop, but it would help avoid the issues complained about in this thread.

It won't stop the problem of the (hopefully minority) of genuinely prejudiced and insular Local locals who hate anyone 'not from here' or 'not like me', and it won't retrospectively change the mass displacement of Londoners that happened in the last couple of decades (when it was mainly only Londoners who were priced out, nobody cared, and it's only apparently a problem if it happens elsewhere).

However it would solve the issues that the non prejudiced majority worry about.

There's an urgent need for more social housing (and work opportunities)

To be built where?

Although I didn’t realise people thought Londoners were special humans & as a Londoner I don’t think I’m more special than others. It’s just factual, I am one. Where else can I say I’m from?

Of course you can call yourself a Londoner, no one said otherwise but so can people who live there even if they weren’t born in London.

And personally if I stop and imagine Londoners, I hear a wide variety of accents.

@Againname I think the rules are

If you move to London you’re a Londoner.
Someone who moves to Brighton from London but originally grew up in Brighton is an entitled Londoner pushing up house prices.
Locals getting pushed out of Cornwall & everywhere else is a legitimate concern.
Born & bred Londoners getting pushed out of London isn’t a concern.
All Londoners are rich & arrogant.

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@HoldingTheDoor I never said people couldn’t call themselves Londoners I said I don’t see them as Londoners in the same way that I am.

I was originally addressing another poster who seems to vehemently object to people using the term “Londoner” if they weren’t born and bred in London.

Protecting what? Bricks and mortar? A vibe? A tribe?

Everywhere that needs more housing. Across the UK.

If not, what's your solution? There's threads like this with people complaining about priced out Londoners moving to 'their area' (despite Londoners being priced out partly because of people from the complainer's area having moved to London).

People, whether in London or elsewhere, need affordable and decent homes.

Grew up in Brighton, and yes this is exactly the kind of person I am picturing too.

They usually move out to Somerset or mid Wales to live in a self-built eco house, IME.

Lots of inconsistency over what is a Londoner or a Brightonian. In a time when people can self identify as whatever gender they feel like, we’re not allowed to identify as a Londoner or Glaswegian, even if we have lived there for decades? It seems it’s easier to claim a ‘British’ identity, and obtain a passport, than it is to be considered ‘a local’ by some.

I didn’t say shitty areas. I said shitty places. My flat in lovely Camden was beyond shit and I shared with flatmates and we had a horrid corrupt landlord.

Anyway I could not afford to buy a family home in Camden so accepted that and moved out a bit. Like people do everywhere. You are sounding a bit odd now. I don’t buy avocados. I work in the nhs. And I haven’t made huge profits. Who are these ‘mates’? Why are you judging me like this?

Oh, and I am a Londoner!

No. Weird question. I don’t have fond memories of my difficult childhood though so am glad to leave it behind.

Yep that seems to be the case.

Hypocrisy and inconsistency at it's finest.

I should imagine that Londoners, long known to be welcoming of all, have got fed-up with the hypocrisy seen in the regular 'Londoner bashing' threads.

Especially as many of those being bashed for pricing out 'local born and bred' aren't originally from London, and when moved there priced out London 'born and bred'.

It shouldn't matter where they're originally from, except that it obviously seems to matter to the bashers.

People on these threads complain about 'Londoners' moving to 'their' areas. Suddenly being 'born and bred' does matter after all. Apparently. In which case that needs to apply equally to London 'born and bred'.

FWIW I don't personally like the bashing or the gatekeeping of what defines a 'local' (although I do think more social housing and work opportunities everywhere, including London, is needed to address genuine worries about incomers). However I also dislike the hypocritical and inconsistent attitudes especially regarding Londoners, on what constitutes a 'true local'.

@HoldingTheDoor Regarding your question on what's a 'true Londoner'. In my view threads like this make the more relevant question, what's a 'true local'?

I hope this post explains what I think is the issue. I'm not a Londoner (although my, not rich or arrogant, friend is from there) but it's something I've noticed from the Londoner bashing threads.

Ah but what area of Wales. It's regional and small pockets where Wales see this. Which area are you talking about @WalkingonWheels ?

It’s all a bit nit-picky really.

When you read about stuff in the news and there are interviews with locals, they just ask anyone who lives there. They don’t ask to see evidence of schooling or birth. They ask what ‘Mancunians’, ‘Aberdonians’, (and other relevant local names) think. Because ‘locals’ or those specific names are the term for people who live in an area.

I never thought people would get so precious over the term ‘Londoner’. As I said, it’s my identity and gave me a sense of belonging and acceptance for the first time in my life. I lived 18y in a northern town and have done 35y in London. I am definitely now from here! And will proudly state that if I ever get asked.

@WalkingonWheels There's loads of Welsh people in 'Lahndahn'. Plenty in Essex and Kent too.

@HoldingTheDoor I suspect the 'charming' and 'openminded' Local local attitudes of people like Walking's might answer your question of what's a 'true Londoner'. A 'different breed'. Apparently. Not 'born and bred' Welsh so apparently shouldn't be in Wales.

It also seems the unpleasant generalisations and bashing have now extended to people from Essex and Kent (I've even seen a couple of threads where those 'welcoming' sentiments are directed towards people from Manchester or Liverpool).

The bashers certainly seem to know what they think constitutes a 'true local' when it's 'their' area.

There's genuine issues raised in this thread. Housing unaffordability and displacement (different to choosing to move somewhere else) and jobs pressure. Issues affecting Londoners and people everywhere else. That does need addressing and are understandable concerns. The prejudiced 'don't like outsiders' sentiments, however? They can get in the bin.

no its not over the top

the new neighbours are already ostracised because they exist. people like OP will only be happy when the houses are either empty, or given away for free to someone who is of 'Brighton blood'. otherwise they're not welcome...

now tell me its not similar to nazi Germany