My Disgusting Neighbour

[BaldingMum]

Terrace house with a shared passageway between mine and my neighbours houses which lead to a gate into my garden (neighbour has never put a gate up for theirs meaning their garden is fully visible to anyone walking down the passageway).

Neighbour has always hoarded in the garden, and it’s an absolute shit hole full of rotting rubbish. This has led to rats over the years which are primarily resident in his garden, although I have seen the odd one venture onto my garden leading me to put bait traps down.

Just about manageable, not ideal. However my neighbour, who has a colonoscopy bag, has started the disgusting habit of emptying his bladder on the back door step. The smell is indescribable. The flies are relentless.

My six year old child has to walk by this to get access to his garden and house (both of which are well kept and tidy).

the stickler is, my house is down hill to his, so inevitably when it rains, guess where all his body waste gets washed to.

He is completely blasé about it, doesn’t see a problem, his property etc etc. I’ve raised an environmental hazard complaint with the local council to see if they can do anything.

It stinks. It’s ruining the enjoyment of our garden. The flies are getting into our house. The rats are increasing.

WIBU to pour bleach where it’s evidentially doing this disgusting act? What the hell can I do to get this stopped?

@nonumbersinthisname I agree with you. The family cannot fix this, otherwise they would have done.

All of what you have said, that the wife is frail and cared for by her unsafe/unhygienic husband, him shooting air rifles or other guns in a small space, him disposing of body fluids in this manner, all of this will be of interest to the council, social services (safeguarding) and the local neighbourhood police team who are there for exactly this type of thing. It is not something the family can resolve, I feel sorry for them but I feel most sorry for the wife who is now stuck indoors and may need intervention. Please please do alert the above authorities, a letter is a great idea. She may have bed sores from not being turned or infections, these things can go unnoticed.

Why would a nurse know he is emptying his bag in the garden? He won't be the first lazy git to piss in the garden instead of going upstairs.

Anyway, again, he's not doing anything illegal. You can pee in your garden if you want. The police won't tell him to stop. Social services won't tell him to stop. If it is causing a health hazard, it is an environmental health issue.

Well, I presume if he's disgusting outside the house he is disgusting inside the house so if a hcp is visiting they would notice these signs and refer to social care.

If his behaviour is causing distress to his neighbours then community support may have a word. No, he won't be arrested for emptying bodily fluids in his garden <again, obviously> but as its causing a stink and distress he may be asked to desist.

I think you and a lot of other posters have some fantasy idea of what social care is. Even if his home is a hovel, social services aren't going to swoop in and clean the place. And the police aren't going to do anything. At most, they could do a welfare check to see if him and the wife are alive, but they don't have the power to tell him to stop making a mess on his private property.

Anyway, again, he's not doing anything illegal. You can pee in your garden if you want. The police won't tell him to stop

This is not true. Community policing teams intervene all the time in anti-social behaviour, and their main aim is to get in there and stop it before it becomes a crime, this includes things like rubbish dumping and noise, so I'm pretty sure creating a rat infested urine dump would be of interest to them. No point in arguing about it- find the number for your local Community Police team and call them and ask them if this is something they would be concerned with. They also tend to have excellent contacts with Environmental Health and the local authority and can make referrals to safeguarding if necessary, they are a good first point of contact if EH aren't acting that fast.

Op said he has a firearms license. Police should take complaints/safeguarding issues involving a firearms holder extremely seriously.

I agree with this, given this man's behaviour it seems very unlikely that he is caring for her properly 😥

I don't have any fantasies about social care. The home clearly needs someone to intervene and carry our basic checks and assessments.

Anyway, again, he's not doing anything illegal. You can pee in your garden if you want. The police won't tell him to stop

If you peed in your garden as a one off, I doubt the authorities would intervene or care. But no, you can't routinely dispose of human waste in your garden. Just because it's your garden, does not mean you can do whatever you want.

What are these basic checks and assessments you think can be forced upon a person in their own home?

Just to say you’ve got loads of good advice. I would be calling social services for him and for her.

Also please don’t put bleach in either garden as it’s terrible for the soil, the earth, the planet and also won’t do anything to stop the wee or poo

Nope. You can pee in your garden a hundred times, it still won't become a police matter. Think of how many people have dogs. Have you ever heard of the police showing up to tell them to stop the dogs urinating in the garden? It doesn't happen because it isn't illegal.

The Environmental Health Department are the people who deal with this stuff.

Yes I'm not suggesting the police would care or be able to do anything but environmental health surely would?

Well, as has been said a million times a pcso could have a friendly chat about his anti social behaviour for starters. Yes yes we know no crime has been committed but community support don't spend their time chasing armed robbers.

Just because dogs wee in gardens doesn't mean adults can empty their body waste. Adults have options you see, dogs don't. Obviously 🙄.

If they think the complaint warrants an investigation they will come out to assess the situation then take it from there. They can tell him to clean up the garden.

"Sir. Please stop peeing in your back garden."
"No."

The end. They can't enforce it because they have no authority to make that order.

One other point I might make.

Many years ago I had an issue with the neighbours dog.

Long story but they had a new baby and the Healt Visitor wasnt happy about the dog.

When I pressed the Nuclear Button, calling in Health Visotor, Dog Warden, Police & Social Services the HV's went in hard as it was what they needed to back uo their own concerns.

So yiou may be pushing against an open door with Adult Social Care

Are you the op's neighbour .

Look he has a frail wife, clearly struggles with his stoma and shoots rats which again may not be illegal <🥱 > bit it's not neighbourly is it. It all adds up to a concerning picture of neglect which needs someone to look into. Now I don’t care if it's a pcso or social care but someone needs to knock on their door.

AH ok, sorry I missed this. Well then, she should inform the family she will be escalating it and get on to PCOS/Council/whoever can do something

It's part of a concerning picture, no? I really hope you don't work in social care although sadly I wouldn't be surprised if you did..

Has anyone watched that American show...Hoarders? There was an episode where a woman no longer used her toilet...she peed and pooed in a bucket and just emptied them in her garden 😷They tried to clean the house up but it was basically unsalvageable.

'Well then, she should inform the family she will be escalating it and get on to PCOS/Council/whoever can do something'

Apparently they're only concerned with serious crimes according to a pp who seems to have absolutely idea about signs of self neglect and welfare issues. If they aren't robbing banks the cops and social services won't be interested!

Yes, an environmental health officer.

Like a lot of these things, if The Police/Council/Social Care WANT to get involved and take action they can find grounds for doing so.

The challenge is to get them to take action

I do, which is why I know social services won't get involved in a messy house or garden. If they had a child there, children's services would be interested. If they had a dog there, animal welfare would be interested. But grown adults with involved families? Nope. They won't care. Your shit heap is not their problem to deal with.