My Disgusting Neighbour

[BaldingMum]

Terrace house with a shared passageway between mine and my neighbours houses which lead to a gate into my garden (neighbour has never put a gate up for theirs meaning their garden is fully visible to anyone walking down the passageway).

Neighbour has always hoarded in the garden, and it’s an absolute shit hole full of rotting rubbish. This has led to rats over the years which are primarily resident in his garden, although I have seen the odd one venture onto my garden leading me to put bait traps down.

Just about manageable, not ideal. However my neighbour, who has a colonoscopy bag, has started the disgusting habit of emptying his bladder on the back door step. The smell is indescribable. The flies are relentless.

My six year old child has to walk by this to get access to his garden and house (both of which are well kept and tidy).

the stickler is, my house is down hill to his, so inevitably when it rains, guess where all his body waste gets washed to.

He is completely blasé about it, doesn’t see a problem, his property etc etc. I’ve raised an environmental hazard complaint with the local council to see if they can do anything.

It stinks. It’s ruining the enjoyment of our garden. The flies are getting into our house. The rats are increasing.

WIBU to pour bleach where it’s evidentially doing this disgusting act? What the hell can I do to get this stopped?

She means a catheter yes his urine empties into a bag. OP report to social services he will get an infection doing it outside as well as being disgusting for anyone else living with him and neighbours.

He won’t be the first or the last. If you’re shocked by this come and work for any emergency response team. So many cases like this due to shit social care and nhs bowing under the weight of patients.

Op used the term for a lighted scope going in the colon. He must have urinary retention which could have been due to cancer or some other issue which is his business. Certainly it sounds like a lot of self neglect so needs reporting but you do need to take care to not make stuff up about him.

If he has a firearms license then you need to contact the police as a matter of urgency. Emptying bags of piss in the garden is not indicative of someone who is stable.

Very very grim

But also can we please be clear about what you do and don't know about this, because it's important to be clear if you make a complaint.

My understanding from what you've said is:

• You've seen he has a urine bag
• You've smelled urine and it's washed towards your house when it rains 🤢
• You've NOT seen him pee or empty the bag on his doorstep

-You've heard something being emptied, and assume that he's emptying urine? But you haven't seen so don't know what he's doing precisely. -You've heard (from who?) that he's 'emptying his bladder'

• putting these things together you are assuming that he's emptying his bag out on his doorstep.

From what you've said about his other behaviour or doesn't seem out of character if he did do this, but you do need to be clear about what you know and what you've heard from others.

And then contact environmental health.

I think she means a urostomy stoma bag - for urine and he’s emptying it out on the back doorstep. That’s how I read it.

If it’s a stoma, he won’t get an infection because he’ll be emptying the bag itself. Still disgusting though and needs to be dealt with by the authorities. Sounds like he’s not in control of his faculties and may need some level of care.

Time to bring out the big guns.

If you see him pouring piss outside I would call 999 and say that your neighbour is having a mental health emergency and you want a welfare check conducted on the wife.

I feel like an ambulance crew would know what to do and who to refer him to.

If you hear him shooting rats again I would call 999, ask for police and say you can hear a neighbour shooting a licensed weapon and you aren’t sure about his mental state due to his recent irrational behaviour. Again you want a welfare check for him and the wife.

(Yes I know that 999 is for emergencies but, to me, this is an emergency!)

None of this is a police matter. A man pissing in his own back garden isn't a crime. It is definitely not a 999 emergency ffs. It's also perfectly legal to kill pests on your own property with an air rifle.

Reporting it to the Environmental Health Department is the only way to go.

Contact Environmental Health, this is not ok and they can investigate and potentially take action such as fining him.

The Neighbourhood police would have a word about this, this is exactly the type of thing they will address to stop this escalating into a neighbour dispute. I would be ringing them and asking them to attend, this is not a 999 matter though it's a neighbourhood policing team matter and a PCOS would attend.

It is certainly also an Environmental Health matter, and may be a social care matter. I would contact all of these and raise this in multiple places, the rats and the urine have made this area unsafe, and he may be unsafe himself. I wouldn't feel remotely bad about doing this as it sounds like his own family are at their wits end with him and they may all need extra support (and the wife needs a welfare check if a person like that is caring for her).

@BaldingMum report the shooting of vermin and obvious deterioration of his mental health to the police and they will remove his firearms licence. You cannot shoot a firearm in a terraced house as you can easily hurt someone.

Tulipj · Today 09:39
He won’t be the first or the last. If you’re shocked by this come and work for any emergency response team. So many cases like this due to shit social care and nhs bowing under the weight of patients.”

How is this helpful to OP?

I have no advice to add to PP but this is one of the most disgusting things I have read on here.

I couldn’t cope with this and have no idea how you have up to now. So angry on your behalf!

You say his family are sympathetic - well then they should be
(1.) Paying for someone to completely clear the garden - or doing it themselves.
(2.) Agreeing to putting up a fence between the alleyway and the garden due to the potential for rodent infestation into your garden
(3.) Really trying to tackle the father's behaviour.
As a vulnerable parent they need to take this on as a matter of urgency - it can't be good for him or his wife that he's living in such a cesspit

Poor you. We had a neighbour who had a build up of rubbish up the side of her house. She wouldn’t accept help so a few of us contacted environmental health and they helped her sort it. She was a council tenant so that might have made a difference.

Filthy bastard.

Whilst you are allowed an air rifle in your garden without a licence to shoot vermin, DH says that you are not allowed to shoot a pellet within 25m of a public highway. That might help you OP, otherwise follow the mostly good advice about Jeyes Fluid and Environmental Health. If EH don't get their backsides in gear, your local councillors would be worth contacting.

You're absolutely not allowed to fire air weapons in your garden willy-nilly! There are regulations about distance from other properties and public highways.

The person who suggested the three-part carefully laid-out letter, copied to police and council is exactly right. Please do this. His poor wife may well need help too.

Report to LA adult social care - safeguarding, self neglect
contact police 101
contac LA environmental health

For everyone calling on the family to sort this, you do know don’t you that there isn’t much the family can do if the man has mental capacity and opposes them/refuses their help?

however, a neighbour raising concerns with adult social services and environmental health may well help and add weight to any reports from the family. The problem for OP is that if no one is in immediate danger this won’t be a high priority so may well take some time to resolve.

Good grief! Definitely safeguarding referral as you've already done the environmental route and there's probably more urgency with safeguarding, especially as his wife may be in danger. Goodness knows what kind of care he's giving her, even if he doesn't mean to harm her he may end up doing so and this could get them both much-needed help. All the best of luck with this, OP. It sounds absolutely horrible.

What's the harm in having a conversation and making specific requests though before escalating to social services?

She already has. From one of OP’s posts.

”Their adult children visit most days and are equally frustrated with his behaviour and have challenged him many many times (very open and honest with me)”

'None of this is a police matter. A man pissing in his own back garden isn't a crime. It is definitely not a 999 emergency ffs'

Not a 999 emergency, no <obviously> but if the incorrect disposal of bodily fluids is causing a neighbour distress then someone needs to get involved.

Surely 101 could just send a community support person round and have a polite word with him and see what support re social care they need. But as others have said if he has any kind of stoma he will have a specialist nurse who you'd think would spot there's a problem here.