To think Keir Starner is ignoring women and children’s rights?

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Hello hello? Kier? We’re here. We are right here. We are Women. Are you listening to us? Hello? Hello?

It's an easy choice for me.

Nothing could get me to vote for these current arseholes so I'll be voting tactically in the hope of getting them out.

No I'm not happy. It's fucking dreadful. I can't believe in 2024 we are faced with either voting for Labour who in theory will be better for the country but are also proving that for all their rhetoric of equity and rights they will cheerfully lie about what they know to be true, deny reality and endorse injustice and unfairness if they've decided it serves the greater good and whose supporters are basically telling women "your voices and issues arent important to anyone so if you want better support for your kids or better housing or for anyone to care about your abortions and DV in future you better just suck up the gender shit and vote Labour anyway", for the Tories who don't seem capable of realising that even the most cut throat neo liberal market forces economy of Ayn Rands' dreams needs some degree of public expenditure to remain functional, for the greens who seem to have concluded if they sign up for every progressive cause all at once, the weight of their own righteous bullshit will act as a carbon sink, the women's equality party who are so equal they literally can't tell the difference between men and women, the lib dems (see Labour), the SDP (see Tories), Reform who believe a 1950s Eagle comic is a manual for government, or a bunch of tiny parties and independents some of whom might even be rational but none of whom have any hope of getting the numbers to be delectable.

No, I am not fucking happy. I'm fucking furious with the whole fucking lot. Tories meh cos Tories gonna Tory, but Labour and the supporters who bend over to excuse them should be better than this!

Thank you for replying @FlirtsWithRhinos . I suppose, as always, all we can do is vote for whom we feel will best serve the country and our own priorities.

I can't imagine the state of the country if we have five more years of this. For me, it's change that's needed across the board and this, more than anything, will influence how I vote.

Same
Edit to say as in voting them out that is

Unfortunately this is one of the issues why I could never vote Labour. How can WOMEN betray women by voting Labour I'll never understand

Your choice. Other women see their choice differently.

I see it as more of betrayal to women, children, disabled and other disadvantaged people to vote Tory after everything they have done.

Not to mention the people who didn't get to see their dying loved ones to say goodbye in COVID while they were partying and laughing at us.

The fact that some Labour people think TWAW doesn't even compare to that. Particularly as some Tory people, including the person pipped to replace Sunak as leader of the party, think TWAW too.

@CrappySack Labour partied during Covid too and would have made a hash of things too

Oh WHY isn't there a centre left party that had none of these shitty ideologies and just simply wants the best for the country ?

Yes I'll vote tories and convinced a few others. In the meantime I'll dream of a day when this country respects liberal values without all this cheap and disappointing ideology.

Thanks for your concern but thankfully we're in a democracy and I vote for who I want (and you do too)

Where's your evidence "Labour partied during Covid"?
Would Labour have awarded PPE contracts worth millions to their mates who then failed to deliver usable goods?

I never said you should vote Tory. Everyone's vote is their own.

You were the one who said you couldn't understand why women vote Labour.

I was just explaining why I am.

You obviously don't mind voting for a party that betrays women as you'll vote Tory. That's fine, but don't pretend that's why you won't vote for Labour.

@PoppingTomorrow there are plenty of photos of Labour officials partying (sorry I forgot, they are untouchable). And the answer is YES, they are as corrupt as the Tories.

I think some people like to pretend every politician is the same to justify voting for people they know are crap. And maybe to try and convince others?

How can you know the pp is ‘pretending’?

I’m sure she knows her reasons more than someone else

Evidence please

She admitted that there isn't a party that doesn't have gender views she does agree with.

Oh really, where? Weird that the Murdoch press didn't make sure they were everywhere. Keir Starmer had a beer with activists during a meeting. Not quite the same.

https://www.ft.com/content/0832548c-3750-4500-82c2-455e6f92faa7

Who needs evidence when rhetoric is just as convincing.

Several police investigations found no evidence so it's unlikely the poster will.

Yes, louder for all those who still don't "get it" - women aren't all one hive mind!!

If someone lists their reasons for a vote then that’s their call, not pretence.

You list yours as do others.

People believe what they want to believe, I suppose. If someone wants to vote for the Tories with their record clear for all to see that's their choice.

Hypothetically, let's assume every single party had exactly the same views on gender, and they were views you vehemently disagreed with. Who would you vote for?

I suspect there's a fair chunk of people on this forum who say they're voting Tory because of "women's rights" (narrowed down to ONLY GC issues), who would've tribally voted Tory anyway irrespective. I also question how many of these people would be so concerned about women's rights if the gender issue didn't exist.

Like I noted upthread, the Tories have fucked women over so badly in so many areas. How anyone can claim to care about women's rights and vote Tory is totally beyond me.

If you vote Tory in the current state of affairs, it isn't because you 'care about women's rights', it's because you are simply a Tory supporter. I know it's uncomfortable being a loyal Tory supporter these days, but at least have the honesty to own it.

Well if you've no evidence then I can't respond to it, can I?

They're not untouchable in my eyes but I cannot fathom how anyone can come to the conclusion that labour are "just as bad". If that's true the whole country is fucked.

Of course there will be corrupt Labour politicians - power corrupts, there are bad people and bad behaviours in all walks of life and politics is always going to attract at least its fair share. But I cannot reconcile the total lack of shame at their own behaviour, or compassion for the vulnerable, that this government has displayed.

I'm GC but can still see that saying TWAW is utterly pointless if there is no maternity care, no consequences for perpetrators of VAWG, no early years provision, no health or social care, and no worker's rights. Because women will get screwed over.

Maybe voters who are bleating about TWAW being their single issue actually want women to get screwed over so that TW self-select out of the gender- is that it?

@PoppingTomorrow Exactly. I'm so tired of women who exclusively care about gender issues claiming they do so because they care about women rights.

Absolute bullshit.

They care about gender. That's it.

If the gender issue wasn't there they'd vote Tory anyway even though the Tories have, just as one example, happily tolerated women being brutalised during childbirth.