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Men still get away with this. Why?

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Utmilj · 16/05/2024 10:21

Yes I probably sound bitter. Yes I could have chosen a better man to have children with… obviously didn’t think he’d be a deadbeat when we were discussing having a family together. But that accusation about women ‘choosing the right partner’ is a good way to start this post because it’s a very good example of how woman are always to blame and men get away with doing nothing, ignoring their responsibilities.

My situation… met who I thought was a lovely man, decent job, income, stable (or seemed to be). Said all the right things. I was pregnant after a few years and he left me after 7 months. I gave birth alone and funded all our child’s things entirely myself until the cms claim came into effect when ds was 7 months old. It took cms 7 months to chase him for payment. I was lucky, I am from a wealthy family, but why the fuck should women have to wait seven months for payment from a deadbeat? It’s disgusting.

Again I am lucky that he earns well so I have just about enough maintenance for it to be objectively satisfactory and covers nursery costs. For women claiming from men who earn much less, they are pushed into extremely difficult financial situations. Childcare costs all fall on them. Why? Why do we let this happen? It’s appalling. Women are told it’s a ‘lifestyle choice’ to use a nursery if they are a resident parent. No, nursery is a requirement if parents are to work.

And many resident parents are not full resident parents by choice. Lots of men enjoy a fortnightly visit to their child or children. They are quite happy with that. The woman just has to accept it, accept all the responsibility, the financial burden and the time. If they complain, they are such a terrible mother! How can a mother want to complain about doing it all because after all that’s their little baby! But men… men aren’t even faced with that question.

Yes, women could hand their child to social services. They don’t HAVE to parent their child. But again, imagine the outcry. What sort of woman would do that! When many dads have done just that, but they have the insurance policy of the woman who will pick up the slack and protects them from the shame of them personally handing their child over to social care.

Ds’s dad sees him. On his terms. When it suits. When he’s not too busy or he’s had time to relax first. He does what he likes and gets away with it. He focuses of his career. He likes the kudos. All while being a deadbeat.

As I said, I could be bitter (and I probably am a bit) but due to financial protection I have been lucky to not feel the full impact of this behaviour by a man. But this experience has made me realise just how shocking things are for women. Why are they still able to get away with this?

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T1Dmama · 16/05/2024 10:35

Yup! Men can pretty much (we’ll literally) disappear from their child’s life at a drop of the hat and don’t seem to GAS about the impact that has on their child/ex…
my ex husband (married for 15 years) disappeared not long after our DD was diagnosed with a chronic condition, left and has seen her for 1 day in 2 years!!
He’s left all the dealing with her medical condition and anxiety starting seniors, counselling etc to me!… I’ve just had major surgery and am now laid up in hospital and having to find alternative care for her, and relying on family and friends to run her around for the next 4-6 weeks while I can’t drive!
but it’s ok because they pay a small amount each month (sarcasm) and that seem to alleviate them of all other duties!!
when my ex left he did it in style and moved 5 hours drive away…. So his excuse is he can’t afford the fuel/train to get down monthly… sure…. But he’s afforded a Sunny holiday somewhere with his new ‘friend’, bought a very nice car, and manages to afford to vape! All the priorities are screwed!!

Utmilj · 16/05/2024 10:40

T1Dmama · 16/05/2024 10:35

Yup! Men can pretty much (we’ll literally) disappear from their child’s life at a drop of the hat and don’t seem to GAS about the impact that has on their child/ex…
my ex husband (married for 15 years) disappeared not long after our DD was diagnosed with a chronic condition, left and has seen her for 1 day in 2 years!!
He’s left all the dealing with her medical condition and anxiety starting seniors, counselling etc to me!… I’ve just had major surgery and am now laid up in hospital and having to find alternative care for her, and relying on family and friends to run her around for the next 4-6 weeks while I can’t drive!
but it’s ok because they pay a small amount each month (sarcasm) and that seem to alleviate them of all other duties!!
when my ex left he did it in style and moved 5 hours drive away…. So his excuse is he can’t afford the fuel/train to get down monthly… sure…. But he’s afforded a Sunny holiday somewhere with his new ‘friend’, bought a very nice car, and manages to afford to vape! All the priorities are screwed!!

@T1Dmama so sorry to hear this and I hope you get better soon.

It’s really appalling isn’t it? The thing that amazes me is that when it’s called out there is inevitably some women who defend them.

Ex sees ds when it suits and has zero care at all for the impact on DS’s mental health. He is a disgrace.

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shearwater2 · 16/05/2024 10:46

I agree, a lot more should be done to make men take financial and physical responsibility for their children, and if they don't then they lose all parental rights, and can't just waft back in when it suits them.

toomuchfaff · 16/05/2024 11:04

I totally agree, having been left with a 1yr old and everything fell to me.

But what can be done? CSA us useless; they told me he should be paying £500 a month, he didn't, he had nothing in his name and didn't pay a penny ever.

Prison? The prison system is broken as it is without adding non paying dads into the mix getting their own room and 3 square meals a day costing tax payers 100s thousands a year.

Maybe they should castrate them; then they can't do it again to the next unsuspecting woman? but the world is too soft for that and there would be the odd innocent one brought down by a "fiona" castrated in error and it all falls apart.

That's why the responsibility sits with the woman; because it's her who deals with the fallout. Don't ever rely on anyone to not fk you over if you're the one holding the baby...

Saying that I never had anymore children. Couldn't say it wouldn't happen again; sadly prevention was a better option. 😔

vidflex · 16/05/2024 11:20

It's appalling! If women just walked away after a relationship broke down and left her kids with the dad, and popped by once a week to take them for a McDonald's can you imagine how people would view her!.

My sister was with her dh for 15 years when he suddenly became distant and checked out. He finally told her the old line "I love you but I'm not in love with you" he wanted to end things as he needed space to think things through.

My sister packed a bag and left him right there on the spot. Came to stay with me. She had explained to her boys what was happening and she would pick them up Friday night and bring them back on Sunday.

Her husband was livid. How dare she abandon her kids. She quickly pointed out that's exactly what he was about to do. The very least she now expected was 50/50 custody as soon as she found suitable accommodation.

He tried to win her back when he realised he wasnt walking off into the sunset a free man but he'd been cheating and it was over. We helped her get a new place sorted and she's had the boys 50/50 for a few years but they are mid teens now and mostly want to stay with her.

LightSpeeds · 16/05/2024 11:21

When I first got pregnant (unplanned), my partner's mother warned me that the women are always left 'holding the baby' (both literally and metaphorically). That was 36 years ago and I think it's still pretty true these days.

I got £14 maintenance from him in 18 years. He lied his way out of having to give anything.

Yes, there are an awful lot of shit men out there (a lot of them hiding their true colours until you're well and truly enmeshed with them). And I fear they're only getting worse over time...

Katemax82 · 16/05/2024 11:22

I know a man who's daughter is in my daughters friend group, his Mrs left him with 3 kids and never once paid maintenance, now one of them lives back with her he has to pay maintenance to her, even though he still has 2 of the kids!!! I know he's not the majority of men but he's living proof it can go the other way

LookAtAllThoseRoses · 16/05/2024 11:25

Katemax82 · 16/05/2024 11:22

I know a man who's daughter is in my daughters friend group, his Mrs left him with 3 kids and never once paid maintenance, now one of them lives back with her he has to pay maintenance to her, even though he still has 2 of the kids!!! I know he's not the majority of men but he's living proof it can go the other way

He's living proof of how vanishingly rare this scenario is, surely.

thecrispfiend · 16/05/2024 11:27

My brothers wife walked out and left him and 3 kids . It's been three years now and she hasn't paid a penny in maintenance. So not always the man but does seem to be more often the case.

SpringerFall · 16/05/2024 11:28

There is general advice given of 'don't put him on the birth certificate' but then he needs to pay? And when men do want to see children there is reasons It can't happen ie breastfeeding, working shifts, attached to me and I can't be without them, they need a routine, I don't want the new girlfriend to see them, he won't to what I tell him, he has to stick to my routine

MidnightMeltdown · 16/05/2024 11:33

A few years ago, before I met dp, I had a go at online dating. The number of men on there with really young children was astonishing. Not a chance in hell would I date a man who had fucked off and left his young kids.

TomatoSandwiches · 16/05/2024 11:34

Men on the whole are unreliable, you can't really trust them to do their fair share of domestic labour or child rearing.
The 4b movement is the current movement that I like, also perhaps women should start charging the men for their services since money is the only thing they take seriously.

want a baby at my expense? Sure that's 250K please, you want me to be a SAHM? Sure that's 40K a year salary please, with the standard daily breaks and holiday cover needed as well, oh and a night nanny unless you want to pay me double time for those hours?

You want me to be your PA and arrange your appointments? Sure, that's ££ for each appointment arranged.

Womens work goes unpaid and has been unpaid for centuries, men and their systems have benefited from it for too long.

Make them pay.

sawdustformypony · 16/05/2024 13:04

want a baby at my expense? Sure that's 250K please

That sounds a bit steep. Is the sex thrown in with the deal or is it extra OR are we talking "turkey-baster". How many attempts do you get before a surcharge kicks in? Gosh so much to think about.

IncompleteSenten · 16/05/2024 13:11

I think failing to pay CMS ordered child support should be an offence and CMS should do their fucking job and not shrug their shoulders. You'd find far fewer men thinking feeding their child was optional if it meant a criminal record or a ccj.

Utmilj · 16/05/2024 13:22

TomatoSandwiches · 16/05/2024 11:34

Men on the whole are unreliable, you can't really trust them to do their fair share of domestic labour or child rearing.
The 4b movement is the current movement that I like, also perhaps women should start charging the men for their services since money is the only thing they take seriously.

want a baby at my expense? Sure that's 250K please, you want me to be a SAHM? Sure that's 40K a year salary please, with the standard daily breaks and holiday cover needed as well, oh and a night nanny unless you want to pay me double time for those hours?

You want me to be your PA and arrange your appointments? Sure, that's ££ for each appointment arranged.

Womens work goes unpaid and has been unpaid for centuries, men and their systems have benefited from it for too long.

Make them pay.

@TomatoSandwiches totally agree.

when I explained to my ex I needed time to sort the house and clean etc so could he either have ds or pay for a babysitter in the alternative, he said I was all about money 😀

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RobinM · 16/05/2024 13:30

Men don’t think they’re doing anything wrong walking away from their kids, it’s as if the ones who do it see the kids and the mums hobby or an extension of the mum and when you split up you wouldn’t still be lending her DVDs or seeing her mum so why would you see the kids.

I realised this online dating years ago. I am childfree and it was in my profile I didn’t have or want children and wouldn’t date someone with children. I had many men who had children messaging me saying things like ‘I do have children but I don’t see them so I’m basically childfree’, most mentioned they didn’t pay for them either so him having children ‘wouldn’t make any difference’ to me, some said they were technically childfree as their ‘crazy ex wife’ tricked them into having children (yes, children, not a child) and they didn’t choose to have them.

It’s not a source of embarrassment or shame or whatever, it’s something that’s done to just say in conversation. I love rock music, I work as an estate agent, I don’t see my three kids, I’m originally from Liverpool and I love curry.

It should be a crime not to pay for your children, not to support them in non/financial ways, or to not see them. If the resident parent didn’t pay money towards them or care for them it’s neglect, from the parent who walks away it’s just long-distance neglect and it’s disgusting.

CharSiu · 16/05/2024 13:34

I really think deep down very few men really want children, well they like the thought but as soon as the focus is not on them they do not like it. Nor the self sacrificing that entails. I didn’t touch my hobby for about 3.5 years when DS was born and DH gave up playing cricket for his team. It was not sustainable to have such time consuming hobbies.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 16/05/2024 13:35

DH's ex moved 500 miles away when DC started school. Apparently to be closer to her family.

Before the move, the arrangement was 50/50, afterwards he was glorified holiday care as and when she needed it.
She never did the driving, it was always on DH and later on to me...

TomatoSandwiches · 16/05/2024 13:39

Utmilj · 16/05/2024 13:22

@TomatoSandwiches totally agree.

when I explained to my ex I needed time to sort the house and clean etc so could he either have ds or pay for a babysitter in the alternative, he said I was all about money 😀

How funny, I think that's what they call projection!
You see it all the time in discussions about anything to do with relationships not working out or children they don't see often, any kind of domestic/childcare issue, divorce... they all complain about paying or taking responsibility for choices they've made or consequences of their own actions.

Men don't want to invest time or money into anything that doesn't serve them and them alone which is why a lot would rather pay towards their new girlfirends children and her house than their own offspring.

Making it about money is what men do, they refuse to see it any other way so putting a full up front price on things they take for granted is one way to make them take it seriously imo.

Choochoo21 · 16/05/2024 13:44

Men contribute the exact same amount of DNA as women - yet women are the default parent and have a ‘duty’ to look after their kids to the best of their ability.
Whilst men can do the bare minimum and be seen as a decent father.
It really pisses me off.

If I acted like my ex acts, I would have had my child removed from me and probably been arrested for child neglect, as he never cared about whether she was safe, warm or fed.
If I were to keep her off school for a couple of weeks then I would get into trouble but her dad couldn’t tell you what school she even goes to.

My friend started a relationship with a man who she said she found attractive because he was such a good dad.
He had his DD EOW and most of the time it was his mum looking after her anyway. A few months later he was off with his mates and she was stuck at home watching his kid.

It annoys me on dating profiles or Instagram where they put ‘single dad’ in their bio.
Most of the time they share custody anyway but even if they are lone parents, so are a million of women but they’re not making Instagram pages over it.

Unfortunately, this is just life though and proof that inequality is still very real.
There is nothing you can do about it as you cannot force him to be a half decent dad.

BigFatLiar · 16/05/2024 13:49

DancefloorAcrobatics · 16/05/2024 13:35

DH's ex moved 500 miles away when DC started school. Apparently to be closer to her family.

Before the move, the arrangement was 50/50, afterwards he was glorified holiday care as and when she needed it.
She never did the driving, it was always on DH and later on to me...

Women can be just as bad as men. You are however on mumsnet so you tend to get one side of the story.

Utmilj · 16/05/2024 13:51

BigFatLiar · 16/05/2024 13:49

Women can be just as bad as men. You are however on mumsnet so you tend to get one side of the story.

@BigFatLiar moving 500 miles away from your client makes you an absolute cunt in my opinion. What excuse do you have for the poor little lamb?

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Mackmacking · 16/05/2024 13:54

met who I thought was a lovely man,

I find that a lot of people mean that he was good looking, financially independent or wealthy, educated and other people gravitated towards him. They had very few indications he was genuinely a compassionate amd conscientious human.

IhateSPSS · 16/05/2024 13:56

They may get away with it (and they shouldn't) but I wouldn't swap places for them for all the money in the world.

I am (nearly) 21 years into dealing with this situation. DS1's Dad was absolutely useless, we split up when I got pregnant. DS1 has just been emailing me from uni about an assessment he has done today, telling me excitedly about a trip he's going on to Barcelona during summer and was telling me about a gig he has got coming up. He messages me pretty much daily to check in and will be home for summer. I think he last saw or had contact with his dad at Christmas. He doesn't see his dad as a parent (he never took him on holiday, never lived with him, never went to parents evening etc). They get their payback eventually when their son or daughter isn't remotely interested in their life or spending time with them. I have got the satisfaction that DS1 is the person he is because of my effort. He reciprocates that attachment and affection towards me and his dad doesn't receive that. I have to take that as a plus otherwise I'd be so pissed off about the injustice of it all!

Utmilj · 16/05/2024 14:01

*child!

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