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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is this really really unforgivable behaviour?

121 replies

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 06:59

I feel like I have lost all perspective. Can someone tell me if this is as bad as I think it is?

I met now DH while working overseas in a conflict location. We both work internationally in high conflict/humanitarian situations. I had just come out of a very long relationship and was rebounding hard, plus trying to escape some sever parental pressure to marry and settle down (South Asian culture).

We met 3 months before I was meant to depart (summer 2019) for good. It started off for me just as a fling, but he came on really strong (love bombing in hindsight), said he’s never met anyone like me, would relocate for me etc.etc. I agreed to stay in touch (despite some red flags). I went back to London, (autumn 2019) covid hit and I was completely isolated, we ended up keeping each other company on the phone for hours and grew attached. We visited each other as much as possible, including in his home country (EU). His family were (and are) truly lovely. He was very kind and loving in his interactions. I fell in love (despite still having some niggles). Eventually we took a job in the same (third) country to give us a shot (summer 2021). Shortly afterwards he met my parents, got on so well that we married within a year (summer 2022).

Now it gets weird. A few months before the wedding, I found out that he was still together with his ex when we had met. He had sent her back to her home country 6 months before (start of 2019), but was still very much in a long distance relationship with her. He stayed in a relationship with her more than a year after we met (until autumn 2020), before finally breaking up with her. He convinced me that it was because she was delicate and suicidal and he didn’t know how to break the news to her. He was checked out of the relationship and it was just phone calls. I went ahead with the wedding.

A few months later I found out that he had visited her at least once in her home country and slept with her after he met me.

We began having terrible fights where I would lose my shit. I felt so betrayed and certain that he would do the same to me. I was seeking reassurance, but he wasn’t really able to give it to me. He insisted he wanted to make this work, that I was his priority, so I stayed. One day, 2 months after the wedding, he came home and said he’d found a better job in another country and was leaving next week (autumn 2022) and I couldn’t stop him. Eventually (due to peer pressure from his parents etc.) he didn’t go. I spiralled even more into feelings of betrayal and took out my frustration on him. He hated his job and blamed me for keeping him in a job and location he hated.

Months later I found out that he had been having ANOTHER relationship at the same time he met me. 6 months before sending his ex away (summer 2018), he had already rekindled things with another ex, and made plans for her to move to his work location to be with him. She arrived in country shortly after I left and lived with him for at least 6 months (until spring 2020). He claimed he broke up with her as soon as she arrived, saying he had met me, but let her live in his sore room while she found a flat.

A few days after I found this out, I came home to find his stuff gone (autumn 2023). He called me later to say his contract had been terminated and he had known for a year, but had gone out of his way to keep it from me, including adopting a cat together and booking a future holiday to throw any suspicion that he was leaving. We had just got back from visiting all our friends and family. He had secured a job and flat in his home country. He was crying and said he didn’t know how to tell me. I was absolutely devastated and it came out of the blue (other than the fights, we did have some really sweet kind loving times together).

I blocked him and tried to move on. A month later he came back begging for forgiveness, to try counselling (from afar) and that he would move to London when my job ended. My parents convinced me to give him a chance. I found it hard but worked immensely on myself. We visited each other and it was really lovely. The week before departure he told me he’d packed, handed in his keys, sent me flight tickets etc. etc. Finally, on the day he was meant to move back to be with me (April 2024), he didn’t show up. I haven’t reached out to him since.

Now I just feel really disoriented, like I can’t trust anything any more. Sometimes I feel like I don’t know up from down. Or maybe he was right and it was all my fault for constantly feeling hurt and betrayed and taking it out on him. Can anyone explain what the hell has happened to me? Am I responsible for this absolute shit show? The last year has been devastating, with constant cycles of hope and betrayal. Objectively I feel like all of what he did is unforgivable and this could never have worked and I’ve dodged a bullet better late than never, but I’m having doubts and wondering if it’s actually me and all my relationships will go this way? My dad thinks I should take a break from my job and move to his country for a bit to change myself and learn to forgive and make things work. Surely this would be madness right?

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Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 07:03

Sorry, I should have said. The reason I’m asking because he has blamed all of his behaviour on me. I couldn’t forgive him each time and was taking my feelings of betrayal out on him and he kept feeling more and more trapped and had to escape (but lie about it to avoid my ire). I’m now riddled with overwhelming feelings of self blame and destroying my marriage.

Also, I know that this sounds like eastenders, but we are highly educated working professionals in a very sought after sector.

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JennyForeigner · 14/05/2024 07:04

Yes, that would be madness. When people show you who they are, believe them.

Sorry you have been through such an abuse of your trust. Some people are addicted to thrill of new relationships, highs and drama. They just can't settle to a decent job of work or build anything worthwhile. He sounds like one of them.

gindreams · 14/05/2024 07:06

Your dad sounds as appalling as this man

Jacopo · 14/05/2024 07:06

None of this is your fault. He’s very bad news and you are well rid of him. And your dad’s advice is simply terrible.
are there cultural or religious reasons for your parents wanting you to stay in this frankly dreadful relationship?

Mishmaj · 14/05/2024 07:07

Yes it would be madness. None of this bodes well for a happy future together, I would be grateful for the opportunity to exit the marriage before children are involved.
Be strong! I’m sorry you’re going through this but in a few years I think you will look back and be relieved that you let it go. Hopefully your parents will
come around to it too - it must be tough to have to be going agains their advice.

FloofyBear · 14/05/2024 07:09

Be thankful he didn't come back, he's not worth your time - please move on, I'd say onwards and upwards, but anything is upwards from this creature who has been gaslighting and narcissistic- good luck

windyweather66 · 14/05/2024 07:09

No this is NOT your fault, but you've fallen victim to a charming, gaslighting manipulator, who has actively deceived you and then tried to blame you when you questioned his actions. I believe the term is DARVO. Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim/Offender.

Could you try therapy to help you deal with how it's left you feeling?

Springchickenonion · 14/05/2024 07:11

@Marmadoodle this is awful. I feel for you. File for divorce and leave him behind. He's playing you and he's also really bad at it!

Be the one that shows him he is a fool. Cut him off and file for divorce.

That's not a relationship, let alone one that I would want to forgive.

Witchbitch20 · 14/05/2024 07:11

Your father is as crazy as the is charlatan.

Seriously, get divorced, and get on with your life. You’ve all ready wasted too much of it on a manipulative con man.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 14/05/2024 07:15

Your Dad thinks you should change yourself becaue your husband has been cheating on you and lying to you since you met, and did a midnight flit and left the country with no discussion?! And he thinks you are the problem?!

Is he completely insane?!

At this point you don't actually know who your husband is, other than a lying cheating wanker, why would you bother trying to figure out what's going on with him? It doesn't matter why he's done any of it, he's an arsehole, that's all you need to know.

I'd get a divorce and tell your parents to keep their beaks out of they try interfering, if they hadn't convinced you to give him another chance once already this would all be over with by now.

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 07:17

Jacopo · 14/05/2024 07:06

None of this is your fault. He’s very bad news and you are well rid of him. And your dad’s advice is simply terrible.
are there cultural or religious reasons for your parents wanting you to stay in this frankly dreadful relationship?

Yes cultural factors. We are South Asian. Before I married my parents had been giving me hell for years to marry. My ex and I broke up because he didn’t want to marry me (after 7 years).

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AGlinnerOfHope · 14/05/2024 07:18

Somehow your parents have missed the red flags here. They are only seeing part of the story, that he’s charming, eligible and wants you. They want what he promised, the happy ever after for you.

Sadly he isn’t able to do it and that’s nothing to do with you.

It is perfectly reasonable to want your husband to be faithful and not run multiple relationships simultaneously.

It is perfectly reasonable to expect your husband to be open about his work situation- whether he has a job, where the job is, where he will be living.

It’s perfectly reasonable to expect your husband to talk and plan with you, rather than surprising you with relationships, jobs, moving house or country.

Don’t let anyone undermine you, you are right. They are wrong.

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 07:23

AGlinnerOfHope · 14/05/2024 07:18

Somehow your parents have missed the red flags here. They are only seeing part of the story, that he’s charming, eligible and wants you. They want what he promised, the happy ever after for you.

Sadly he isn’t able to do it and that’s nothing to do with you.

It is perfectly reasonable to want your husband to be faithful and not run multiple relationships simultaneously.

It is perfectly reasonable to expect your husband to be open about his work situation- whether he has a job, where the job is, where he will be living.

It’s perfectly reasonable to expect your husband to talk and plan with you, rather than surprising you with relationships, jobs, moving house or country.

Don’t let anyone undermine you, you are right. They are wrong.

He blames all the hiding and lying on me though. That I was so upset with him he was too scared to tell me. Has implied I’m verbally abusive and it gives him flashbacks of his dad verbally abusing him (I didn’t know this until now). Said if I had just let the cheating go he would have stayed? But this can’t possibly be true? He was lying to the other girls and me before any of us found out, no one had been verbally abusing him then?

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Shelby2010 · 14/05/2024 07:23

Divorce the lying cheating bastard. Try not to give him another thought, it was definitely him not you.

But I don’t see this as a reason to give up your job & submit to your father’s authority though. It sounds that he’s using your bad luck as a way to get you back home. Which might be because he wants to help & spend time with you, or might be that he thinks you need him to run your life.

heldinadream · 14/05/2024 07:23

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It's a shame you didn't see these, but you didn't and you are in no way at fault. These kind of men dress themselves up in all kind of disguises that make the flags invisible.

Get a divorce ASAP. He's nothing but bad news.
And WTF with your dad? Is he another one, or an old style patriarch who thinks the little woman should forgive her man, or some kind of innocent fool who has also been taken in by him, or what? Either ignore him or read him the riot act.

Best of luck OP. You sound like an amazing and talented woman with a great career, you deserve sooooo much better than this.

Ifyoucouldreadmymindlove · 14/05/2024 07:23

This really demonstrates how you being married is more important to your parents than you being safe and happy. 💔

user1471556818 · 14/05/2024 07:23

OK what would be madness is if you had anything to do with this chap again.
Block him and get yourself some therapy because your response is not a healthy one.
Ignore your dad that's ridiculous advice.
Is there someone in real life you can chat to
It's the old what would you say to a friend who told you this tale .

Springchickenonion · 14/05/2024 07:24

@Marmadoodle he's gas lighting you. You are not verbally abusive. You didn't give him flash backs. He just likes to jump from woman to woman and have a 'safe woman' to go back to.

Just drop him, forget him and do not forgive him

Shelby2010 · 14/05/2024 07:28

Said if I had just let the cheating go he would have stayed?

Bloody hell - what planet is he on. He really does think he’s some kind of prize…

OP, just re-read what you wrote & thank your lucky stars you’ve got him out of your life!

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 07:29

user1471556818 · 14/05/2024 07:23

OK what would be madness is if you had anything to do with this chap again.
Block him and get yourself some therapy because your response is not a healthy one.
Ignore your dad that's ridiculous advice.
Is there someone in real life you can chat to
It's the old what would you say to a friend who told you this tale .

I’ve spent the last month in a slump but in the last week or so have started reaching out to some trusted friends for an objective view.

My brother is horrified and told me to get out (tbh he said this since my H first left).

My best friend from school is horrified and said to cut my losses (despite being stuck in a very traditional arranged marriage herself).

My mother who is very traditional and into the patriarchy is furious and seething and has told me never to set foot near him again (despite herself being terrified of the shame of divorce).

It’s just my dad. He’s a soft heart and got on well with my H, who can be extremely sweet and charming.

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Gazelda · 14/05/2024 07:29

He's a cheat. A manipulator. Hasn't got any sense of loyalty. Isn't committed to you. Can't be relied on. Gaslights you. Has (presumably) left financial responsibilities. Isn't able to form committed relationships. Love bombed you. Etc etc.

Is this someone who you'd want your future to be with? Potentially a father to children? Someone who you know would stick by you if you lost your job or became seriously ill? Someone you know 100% you can rely on.

Don't do it to yourself. Get counselling to help you to process your feelings over this awful man.

And tell your Dad that you respect yourself more than to go running after a man who has treated you so badly. Your successful career indicates that DF brought you up to be an independent woman, show him he succeeded.

Eggmoobean · 14/05/2024 07:31

As painful as it is. Block and move on. Divorce him, move forward with your life. This guy has many many problems. You won’t solve them, you will just continue to be entangled In the web of lies. Tell your parents you are not his puppet - or theirs for that fact. Do what you know in your heart is right

Mannyshy · 14/05/2024 07:32

Why dont your parents want better for their child? The only thing you done wrong was let this carry on as long as you did.

Catsmere · 14/05/2024 07:33

Both your scumbag husband and your father's attitude are unforgivable imo, OP. Take your cat, divorce Mr Gaslighting Serial Cheater and steer clear of the pair of them.

takemeawayagain · 14/05/2024 07:36

He was messing you around, messing his ex around and messing his ex ex around. He's lying to you and gas lighting you - and that's why you feel like you don't know up from down.
I'd suspect he's a narcissist. He won't want to lose you (or any of you) as you provide supply and he won't be able to cope with any rejection, he will be brilliant at love bombing, brilliant at convincing you he just made a few mistakes and brilliant and convincing you that his appalling behaviour was somehow all your fault. He will have no genuine remorse and never take responsibility for anything.

The Narcissists prayer:

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.