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Or is this really really unforgivable behaviour?

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Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 06:59

I feel like I have lost all perspective. Can someone tell me if this is as bad as I think it is?

I met now DH while working overseas in a conflict location. We both work internationally in high conflict/humanitarian situations. I had just come out of a very long relationship and was rebounding hard, plus trying to escape some sever parental pressure to marry and settle down (South Asian culture).

We met 3 months before I was meant to depart (summer 2019) for good. It started off for me just as a fling, but he came on really strong (love bombing in hindsight), said he’s never met anyone like me, would relocate for me etc.etc. I agreed to stay in touch (despite some red flags). I went back to London, (autumn 2019) covid hit and I was completely isolated, we ended up keeping each other company on the phone for hours and grew attached. We visited each other as much as possible, including in his home country (EU). His family were (and are) truly lovely. He was very kind and loving in his interactions. I fell in love (despite still having some niggles). Eventually we took a job in the same (third) country to give us a shot (summer 2021). Shortly afterwards he met my parents, got on so well that we married within a year (summer 2022).

Now it gets weird. A few months before the wedding, I found out that he was still together with his ex when we had met. He had sent her back to her home country 6 months before (start of 2019), but was still very much in a long distance relationship with her. He stayed in a relationship with her more than a year after we met (until autumn 2020), before finally breaking up with her. He convinced me that it was because she was delicate and suicidal and he didn’t know how to break the news to her. He was checked out of the relationship and it was just phone calls. I went ahead with the wedding.

A few months later I found out that he had visited her at least once in her home country and slept with her after he met me.

We began having terrible fights where I would lose my shit. I felt so betrayed and certain that he would do the same to me. I was seeking reassurance, but he wasn’t really able to give it to me. He insisted he wanted to make this work, that I was his priority, so I stayed. One day, 2 months after the wedding, he came home and said he’d found a better job in another country and was leaving next week (autumn 2022) and I couldn’t stop him. Eventually (due to peer pressure from his parents etc.) he didn’t go. I spiralled even more into feelings of betrayal and took out my frustration on him. He hated his job and blamed me for keeping him in a job and location he hated.

Months later I found out that he had been having ANOTHER relationship at the same time he met me. 6 months before sending his ex away (summer 2018), he had already rekindled things with another ex, and made plans for her to move to his work location to be with him. She arrived in country shortly after I left and lived with him for at least 6 months (until spring 2020). He claimed he broke up with her as soon as she arrived, saying he had met me, but let her live in his sore room while she found a flat.

A few days after I found this out, I came home to find his stuff gone (autumn 2023). He called me later to say his contract had been terminated and he had known for a year, but had gone out of his way to keep it from me, including adopting a cat together and booking a future holiday to throw any suspicion that he was leaving. We had just got back from visiting all our friends and family. He had secured a job and flat in his home country. He was crying and said he didn’t know how to tell me. I was absolutely devastated and it came out of the blue (other than the fights, we did have some really sweet kind loving times together).

I blocked him and tried to move on. A month later he came back begging for forgiveness, to try counselling (from afar) and that he would move to London when my job ended. My parents convinced me to give him a chance. I found it hard but worked immensely on myself. We visited each other and it was really lovely. The week before departure he told me he’d packed, handed in his keys, sent me flight tickets etc. etc. Finally, on the day he was meant to move back to be with me (April 2024), he didn’t show up. I haven’t reached out to him since.

Now I just feel really disoriented, like I can’t trust anything any more. Sometimes I feel like I don’t know up from down. Or maybe he was right and it was all my fault for constantly feeling hurt and betrayed and taking it out on him. Can anyone explain what the hell has happened to me? Am I responsible for this absolute shit show? The last year has been devastating, with constant cycles of hope and betrayal. Objectively I feel like all of what he did is unforgivable and this could never have worked and I’ve dodged a bullet better late than never, but I’m having doubts and wondering if it’s actually me and all my relationships will go this way? My dad thinks I should take a break from my job and move to his country for a bit to change myself and learn to forgive and make things work. Surely this would be madness right?

OP posts:
tara66 · 14/05/2024 11:22

Recover you own self worth. Any one could really go insane with your experiences. Your H seems really very destructive to every woman he encounters and I would question his mental stability.
It seems wise to avoid the men in your culture anyway- given your experiences .Why are women treated so badly?. There are books that can help you mentioned on other threads.
You do not need to get married at all.
You have been treated very badly by your husband and father.
It seems H may be a bigamist? Not allowed in UK. Get a divorce and block him.

Dibbydoos · 14/05/2024 11:25

@Marmadoodle stop listening to yoyr parents. He had 2 affairs whilst seeing you. He hid significant stuff from you, tried to move to another country for a job without discussion etc.

Move on. This is on him. You deserve better xxx

Conniebygaslight · 14/05/2024 11:30

Please look into narcissistic abuse and manipulation OP. None of this is your fault. You need to be prepared for him to come back and try to do this to you over again. Do not entertain him for another second even if he wants to explain/apologise etc, they are simply games to lure you in. Please seek counselling support to help you deal with how he has left you.
You deserve so much better x

wombleberry · 14/05/2024 11:31

You are in no way responsible for this man's behaviour. He knows it, he's just pushing the blame onto you because he is incapable or unwilling to take responsibility for his own life. It's almost impossible to get perspective on this type of situation from inside it, but trust all the posters here who are pointing out that you have been victim to a manipulative, gaslighting man who has played you at every step of the way to get what HE wanted.

Putting aside everything he or your family have said: do you think this is how you deserve to be treated? Would you consider it acceptable behaviour if you were to treat someone else this way?

There is NO good reason for this man to have behaved the way he has. None. At all. He's treated you badly, he's treated other women badly, he continues to do so and will always continue to do so unless you stop permitting it. He'll push your boundaries down as far as he can, and it's tough to resurrect them but you have to. Listen to the people who love you, and cut this guy off. You are worth way more than this. You are way too good for him. You have NOTHING to feel guilty about if you choose to no longer participate in his twisted reality. Let him get on with his life and create whatever messes he wants, and you get on with yours.

newnamethanks · 14/05/2024 11:31

He's a pig and you're well rid of him. It's not your 'fault' but some therapy might help you get a better understanding of how and why you seek out relationships that fail. That's not a fault, it's just behaviour that can be remedied if that's the case. Good luck. All men of this ilk invest a lot of time in heaping blame and shame on their partner so free yourself of any guilt he's foisted on you. Good luck next time.

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 11:43

tara66 · 14/05/2024 11:22

Recover you own self worth. Any one could really go insane with your experiences. Your H seems really very destructive to every woman he encounters and I would question his mental stability.
It seems wise to avoid the men in your culture anyway- given your experiences .Why are women treated so badly?. There are books that can help you mentioned on other threads.
You do not need to get married at all.
You have been treated very badly by your husband and father.
It seems H may be a bigamist? Not allowed in UK. Get a divorce and block him.

Sorry but this is a bit racist. My husband is white and from a (very developed) EU country. He’s not from ‘my culture’ or a bigamist, which I’m aware isn’t allowed in the UK thanks. I was born here. He’s never lived in the Uk but it isn’t allowed where he’s from.

OP posts:
Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 12:11

It’s all your fault that you aren’t kind and supportive enough when he sleeps around, you aren’t attractive enough to expect faithfulness, you haven’t been forgiving enough to win him back.

This is kind of how I feel. I can’t shake the feeling. Had I been kind and forgiving the first time, would he still have betrayed me over and over? Or is he just damaged in his own way and would have sabotaged things anyway?

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Catsmere · 14/05/2024 12:18

He's a lying, serial cheat. Of course he'd have kept on cheating. You may want to get checked for STDs - I'd be very surprised if the women he's mentioned are the only ones he's been fucking.

It doesn't matter what culture he's from, imo there's every chance he's a bigamist. He obviously gets off on deception. Its illegality would probably add to the appeal.

FOJN · 14/05/2024 12:22

Your emotional outbursts in response to unreliable behaviour are perfectly normal after the succession of discoveries you made about his cheating.

You have dodged a bullet. Trying again will only convince him that there is nothing he could to make you walk away. Save yourself from years or a lifetime of pain and insecurity, draw a line under it now and stop blaming yourself for his behaviour. It's him, not you.

What I'd like to write about your dad's advice would get me banned. Encouraging you to forgive a man who has repeatedly deceived you is not having your best interests at heart.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 14/05/2024 12:34

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 12:11

It’s all your fault that you aren’t kind and supportive enough when he sleeps around, you aren’t attractive enough to expect faithfulness, you haven’t been forgiving enough to win him back.

This is kind of how I feel. I can’t shake the feeling. Had I been kind and forgiving the first time, would he still have betrayed me over and over? Or is he just damaged in his own way and would have sabotaged things anyway?

Why would being kind and forgiving stop him doing it again? If he were a decent man he wouldn't have done it in the first place. You are under no obligation to be kind and forgiving. If he was genuinely sorry and wanted to save your marriage he needed to accept that you had every right to be angry and he should have been looking for ways to make it up to you, not twisting things round to try to shift some of the blame onto you. That's a really nasty manipulative thing to do.

Ultimately he is not a nice person, and it would be insanity to stay married to him. You've been living with this crazy situation for so long you've lost track of what is and isn't okay. His treatment of you is absolutely not okay. And any bad reaction you may have had to his behaviour is his fault not yours. Honestly, when you've got some distance from the situation you'll see things more clearly and wonder why you ever put up with it.

Do look into getting some therapy. You're self esteem has been trampled all over and you're questioning your own behaviour when it's all a result of his behaviour. You deserve so much better.

Conniebygaslight · 14/05/2024 12:34

newnamethanks · 14/05/2024 11:31

He's a pig and you're well rid of him. It's not your 'fault' but some therapy might help you get a better understanding of how and why you seek out relationships that fail. That's not a fault, it's just behaviour that can be remedied if that's the case. Good luck. All men of this ilk invest a lot of time in heaping blame and shame on their partner so free yourself of any guilt he's foisted on you. Good luck next time.

I don't think telling the OP that she seeks out relationships that fail is very helpful TBH (even though you've said it's not a fault). Narcissists seek out people who are empathic and abuse this, it's a dreadful situation to be in. I do agree though the OP would benefit from some therapy to understand how she can build her self-esteem enough to know that she is not responsible for other people's behaviours and to realise she deserves a respectful and loving partner.

newnamethanks · 14/05/2024 12:40

OP mentioned this aspect of her life in her post.

Kesio · 14/05/2024 12:41

He’s a serial liar on a mega scale

and justifies lies by blaming imaginary stuff on you

get away from him, get divorced asap and never ever consider going back to him

sounds like he charmed your dad as well

you must get rid asap

Noseybookworm · 14/05/2024 12:42

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 07:23

He blames all the hiding and lying on me though. That I was so upset with him he was too scared to tell me. Has implied I’m verbally abusive and it gives him flashbacks of his dad verbally abusing him (I didn’t know this until now). Said if I had just let the cheating go he would have stayed? But this can’t possibly be true? He was lying to the other girls and me before any of us found out, no one had been verbally abusing him then?

He's a manipulative, lying, cheating narcissist and he's done such a number on you that you no longer know up from down! Please don't listen to your parents, it sounds like they would want to preserve the marriage at any cost, including your sanity. Get yourself a solicitor and file for divorce now. Block him and tell him to only contact you through your solicitor. Please get some support from a counsellor/therapist. What he has done to you is absolutely unforgivable and you need to get yourself away from him and stay away from him. Seriously, this kind of man is dangerous and he will continue until he breaks you completely.

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 14/05/2024 13:06

Said if I had just let the cheating go he would have stayed?

Did you remove the part about being faithful to one another from your marriage vows? Because that would be the only thing that could possible indicate you were willing to live in a relationship where your husband repeatedly is unfaithful (although I know it was happening before you married).

He's horrible, a liar, a spiteful, nasty man trying to blame his failures on you. It's perfectly normal to be upset that your partner, and then husband, has been unfaithful.

I think you should get divorced and get some proper counselling to talk this through with someone, he's done a number on you to make you think this was your fault.

NeedToChangeName · 14/05/2024 13:15

Your husband sounds awful

Ignore your Dad's advice

Look at counselling for yourself

Stay strong

None of this is your fault

gillefc82 · 14/05/2024 13:20

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 07:23

He blames all the hiding and lying on me though. That I was so upset with him he was too scared to tell me. Has implied I’m verbally abusive and it gives him flashbacks of his dad verbally abusing him (I didn’t know this until now). Said if I had just let the cheating go he would have stayed? But this can’t possibly be true? He was lying to the other girls and me before any of us found out, no one had been verbally abusing him then?

Whilst I can understand not wanting to upset someone you care for, part of being a grownup is knowing you on occasion have to have difficult, updating conversations.

I struggle to but that as a professional, working in highly charged, stressful environments such as combat/humanitarian zones, he would never have had to develop the capability to deal with a scenario where a sensitive conversation is needed.

Nah - he can get in the bin @Marmadoodle You’re worth far more than this.

Renamed · 14/05/2024 13:26

Serial adulterer, justified by you making him feel trapped. No getting past it. Let your dad go and live with him if he thinks he’s so wonderful

Maddy70 · 14/05/2024 13:28

Run a mile

sweetgingercat · 14/05/2024 13:30

I'm sorry this has happened to you. I think you have three problems.

One is your parents pressuring you to get married. You have to distance yourself from this pressure and do the things that work for you. Own your own feelings and let how you feel and what is right for you guide your actions. Do not feel responsible for your parents' feelings of shame. These feelings are those of a 50 year old society and not relevant to your international, cultural life today. However hard it is, let it go.

I think your husband's behaviour is pretty despicable. It is very similar to someone I knew who was also working in conflict zones, was married to a woman in the same profession, had children, yet arranged his work contracts and his sexual life as if he had no one else to care for. He was always flying away to some new country and some new woman while his wife picked up the pieces and got on with family life. I think it comes with the territory. This man is not good for you and you are right to leave him. He will see you as one of his many other exes that he can, on a whim, pick up, spend six months with and then abandon to a flight out, a new job and a new ex. Moreover, If you continue working in this business, you will continue to meet men like this. Learn to recognise them. Avoid them. Be very careful. This kind of profession does not easily fit with settled, married life.

Finally, reading between the lines, I think you have not got a good sense of self, of who you are and what is good for you. If you have been trying to be the person your parents want you to be, it's not surprising. But it doesn't help you. Who do you want to be? What do you want to do? If you really want it, then fight for it and your parents will have to accept it. If your parents want something that is not good for you then be firm and resist them. This is not an uncommon problem with parents - even loving parents - but it doesn't help you find yourself, find what you want and make good decisions about your life. And this inability to make the right decisions for you will be reflected in your relationships too. A man that sees you as indecisive, unconfident will find it easier to take advantage of you.

ByLucifersBeard · 14/05/2024 13:43

It sounds like you've listened to everyone except yourself: ex, parents, siblings, friends. You ignored the red flags your instincts identified.

It can be tempting to discuss this with lots of people and get their perspectives. But if you're not going to take responsibility for your choices, this is likely to happen again.

What do you want to do? Relationship, career, location? Own your choices. Listen to yourself. Maybe stay single while you get to know yourself after all the gaslighting and cheating.

Jinglesomeoftheway · 14/05/2024 13:48

@Marmadoodle .This is all extremely toxic, and not normal behaviour from a partner who loves and respects their partner. A relationship should be relatively stress free.

His respect for you is non existent - he has demonstrated it again and again. Going back to him would never give you the outcome you desire, he will not change. He sounds toxic and dangerous, deflecting what's he's done back on to you.

Right now it's all so fresh and I can only imagine the turmoil. But this relationship will never be the relationship you want it to be.

I think I'd be thanking my lucky stars that he has gone, and no longer has a hold over me. And thankful that you're not tied to him via children. You deserve so much better

Jinglesomeoftheway · 14/05/2024 13:52

To add, his behaviour of having been in relationships when you met, or crossover of relationships is absolutely not acceptable, no matter how he tries to spin it.

You have to determine what your boundaries are and whether he crossed them, and if so it's no good. It sounds to me like you would not have done this to him, so why would you accept it being done to you?

Personally, if I even found that out now about the start of my relationship after years in a very happy relationship, I'd end it. No excuses could justify it.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 14/05/2024 13:55

Yep. You haven't listened to your gut about this serial liar.

My aunt told me it was my duty to stay with my DH, even though she knew he was beating me up. Does that sound reasonable to you? Sometimes parents etc aren't right with their advice.

Some terrific advice on this thread. Well done the vipers! Get out, and put this creep in the past, where he belongs.

dayaftertomorrou · 14/05/2024 13:56

It’s just my dad. He’s a soft heart and got on well with my H

Well, not towards you he hasn’t.

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