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Or is this really really unforgivable behaviour?

121 replies

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 06:59

I feel like I have lost all perspective. Can someone tell me if this is as bad as I think it is?

I met now DH while working overseas in a conflict location. We both work internationally in high conflict/humanitarian situations. I had just come out of a very long relationship and was rebounding hard, plus trying to escape some sever parental pressure to marry and settle down (South Asian culture).

We met 3 months before I was meant to depart (summer 2019) for good. It started off for me just as a fling, but he came on really strong (love bombing in hindsight), said he’s never met anyone like me, would relocate for me etc.etc. I agreed to stay in touch (despite some red flags). I went back to London, (autumn 2019) covid hit and I was completely isolated, we ended up keeping each other company on the phone for hours and grew attached. We visited each other as much as possible, including in his home country (EU). His family were (and are) truly lovely. He was very kind and loving in his interactions. I fell in love (despite still having some niggles). Eventually we took a job in the same (third) country to give us a shot (summer 2021). Shortly afterwards he met my parents, got on so well that we married within a year (summer 2022).

Now it gets weird. A few months before the wedding, I found out that he was still together with his ex when we had met. He had sent her back to her home country 6 months before (start of 2019), but was still very much in a long distance relationship with her. He stayed in a relationship with her more than a year after we met (until autumn 2020), before finally breaking up with her. He convinced me that it was because she was delicate and suicidal and he didn’t know how to break the news to her. He was checked out of the relationship and it was just phone calls. I went ahead with the wedding.

A few months later I found out that he had visited her at least once in her home country and slept with her after he met me.

We began having terrible fights where I would lose my shit. I felt so betrayed and certain that he would do the same to me. I was seeking reassurance, but he wasn’t really able to give it to me. He insisted he wanted to make this work, that I was his priority, so I stayed. One day, 2 months after the wedding, he came home and said he’d found a better job in another country and was leaving next week (autumn 2022) and I couldn’t stop him. Eventually (due to peer pressure from his parents etc.) he didn’t go. I spiralled even more into feelings of betrayal and took out my frustration on him. He hated his job and blamed me for keeping him in a job and location he hated.

Months later I found out that he had been having ANOTHER relationship at the same time he met me. 6 months before sending his ex away (summer 2018), he had already rekindled things with another ex, and made plans for her to move to his work location to be with him. She arrived in country shortly after I left and lived with him for at least 6 months (until spring 2020). He claimed he broke up with her as soon as she arrived, saying he had met me, but let her live in his sore room while she found a flat.

A few days after I found this out, I came home to find his stuff gone (autumn 2023). He called me later to say his contract had been terminated and he had known for a year, but had gone out of his way to keep it from me, including adopting a cat together and booking a future holiday to throw any suspicion that he was leaving. We had just got back from visiting all our friends and family. He had secured a job and flat in his home country. He was crying and said he didn’t know how to tell me. I was absolutely devastated and it came out of the blue (other than the fights, we did have some really sweet kind loving times together).

I blocked him and tried to move on. A month later he came back begging for forgiveness, to try counselling (from afar) and that he would move to London when my job ended. My parents convinced me to give him a chance. I found it hard but worked immensely on myself. We visited each other and it was really lovely. The week before departure he told me he’d packed, handed in his keys, sent me flight tickets etc. etc. Finally, on the day he was meant to move back to be with me (April 2024), he didn’t show up. I haven’t reached out to him since.

Now I just feel really disoriented, like I can’t trust anything any more. Sometimes I feel like I don’t know up from down. Or maybe he was right and it was all my fault for constantly feeling hurt and betrayed and taking it out on him. Can anyone explain what the hell has happened to me? Am I responsible for this absolute shit show? The last year has been devastating, with constant cycles of hope and betrayal. Objectively I feel like all of what he did is unforgivable and this could never have worked and I’ve dodged a bullet better late than never, but I’m having doubts and wondering if it’s actually me and all my relationships will go this way? My dad thinks I should take a break from my job and move to his country for a bit to change myself and learn to forgive and make things work. Surely this would be madness right?

OP posts:
tennesseewhiskey1 · 14/05/2024 13:58

He's a fucking NUTCASE. Thank god you're not with him anymore OP.

LovedmyRaleighChopper · 14/05/2024 14:00

There is something seriously disordered in your fathers thinking here and his advice is bad. Do not fall down that rabbit hole again. You are feeling your way to a very good understanding of your manipulative and narcissistic ex’s character and mode of operation. Everything he tells you is designed to further disorient you and make himself look like the good guy and for that to be possible you have to be the bad guy. Cut off all contact as far as possible, he will only keep using it to keep telling you that black is white. Concentrate on yourself. What do YOU need to be happy? Certainly not him!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 14/05/2024 14:02

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 14/05/2024 07:15

Your Dad thinks you should change yourself becaue your husband has been cheating on you and lying to you since you met, and did a midnight flit and left the country with no discussion?! And he thinks you are the problem?!

Is he completely insane?!

At this point you don't actually know who your husband is, other than a lying cheating wanker, why would you bother trying to figure out what's going on with him? It doesn't matter why he's done any of it, he's an arsehole, that's all you need to know.

I'd get a divorce and tell your parents to keep their beaks out of they try interfering, if they hadn't convinced you to give him another chance once already this would all be over with by now.

Absolutely agree with tthis.

Your parents have a lot to answer for by surrounding you with this ridiculous advice. Your Dad's response is not protective of your best interests and you would greatly benefit from therapy to help you deal with this, if only to see that there is another way of looking at this and that you are not to blame for the failings and lies from your husbands character.

You have feelings of betrayal... because you were repeatedly betrayed.
Dont take anymore advice from people who think you should forgive this charlatan.

You did not actively destroy your marriage or break your marriage vows. He did. He is a cheating, lying manipulator and the only good thing about this is that he has done you a favour by leaving so that you didn't have to pursuade him to leave.

You are legally an adult and you do not need anyone else's permission to start divorce proceedings, so that you can begin to live your life without this horrible person bringing you down.

Gymnopedie · 14/05/2024 14:27

Had I been kind and forgiving the first time, would he still have betrayed me over and over?

Yes he would. Because being kind and forgiving would have given him the green light to carry on to his heart's content.

It’s my mother who has always been a cruel manipulator (albeit with my dad as an enabler).

You've just written this as one, almost throwaway, sentence. But I'm wondering how much this has affected you and eaten away at your self worth. Your parents certainly didn't model a healthy, respectful relationship. And men like DH are very good at spotting women who are vulnerable in that way, so they get together thinking that their wife/partner will put up with any old shit and still be grateful to them.

Please OP listen to your friend, your brother and all of us. Don't allow him to think that he's such a Billy Bigballs he can do what he likes and you'll stay. And ignore your dad, who is thinking about appearances, not what's best for you. You know what your DH is, and he won't change.

Blondiebeachbabe · 14/05/2024 14:27

He sounds like a fucking psychopath and an evil one at that. The cheating is horrendous, but this just astounded me :

The week before departure he told me he’d packed, handed in his keys, sent me flight tickets etc. etc. Finally, on the day he was meant to move back to be with me (April 2024), he didn’t show up

This is pure evil. He did it to hurt you. He got joy from it. Nobody with a normal mind would ever do anything like this.

This is seriously one of the worst things I have EVER read on MN.

You are now twisting yourself in knots, trying to understand why he did these things. You will NEVER figure this out. It would be like trying to understand and rationalise the mind of a mass murderer. He isn't normal. None of this is normal.

This would be hard enough to get over, but worse still your Dad, who should know better, is giving you awful advice.

Listen to all of the women here that have read your story - we are all saying the same thing. This should help you to know that you are right.

Initiate divorce proceedings and move on. He is bad, bad news.

Oncetwicethreetimesalady · 14/05/2024 14:43

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 08:09

Yes I do realise this now, hence the self blame. But at the time I just felt periodically overcome by blind uncontrollable rage, I couldn’t help myself or self soothe.

You weren’t being unreasonable. You screamed at him because your subconscious was telling you to be angry and that you couldn’t trust him. That was your intuition trying to break through. Trust it.

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 14:57

“The week before departure he told me he’d packed, handed in his keys, sent me flight tickets etc. etc. Finally, on the day he was meant to move back to be with me (April 2024), he didn’t show up

This is pure evil. He did it to hurt you. He got joy from it. Nobody with a normal mind would ever do anything like this.

This is seriously one of the worst things I have EVER read on MN.”

He’s done this multiple times. Before he snuck out on me, he adopted a cat with me and booked a future holiday. When I asked him why he admitted it was to throw me off the scent that he was leaving, since some of his colleagues had got close to mentioning it to me in passing.

I’ve tried to get him to explain this particular behaviour (in the past not now) - he says he thinks of it as standing up for himself. He can never get his way of he asks for something up front, but if he does it without telling me I can’t object and he gets his way. He is very very conflict avoidant and most of the things he does want are pure selfish with no consideration for me (better jobs in random countries mainly).

This logic is BS right?

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Jinglesomeoftheway · 14/05/2024 15:34

Yes OP, absolute BS, it's psychotic

savethatkitty · 14/05/2024 15:44

Wow! It's not you. Some people are just manipulative, lying, cheating, gaslighting scum bags.

It's not a reflection on you. Don't listen to your parents (or anyone) who tells you to try again or give him another chance. He's had a 2nd chance & blown it.

Divorce him, ASAP. Next time you see red flags, don't ignore them.

Moreorlessmentallystable · 14/05/2024 15:52

Sounds like a typical narcissist, love bombing, blame it on you when he gets caught, gaslights you that your reaction is what ended the relationship, and charming enough with everyone else, so much so that they convinced you to give him another chance, however, the universe, God or whatever higher up entity you chose to believe in, is trying to get this man away from your life, just accept this gift, good riddance!

dapsnotplimsolls · 14/05/2024 18:39

He can get in the sea. And your Dad can join him.

PrestonHood121 · 14/05/2024 18:42

File for divorce as soon as you possibly can.

Heyhoitsme · 14/05/2024 18:56

I feel so sorry you met this skunk. You need to heal and be kind to yourself.

scoobysnaxx · 14/05/2024 20:54

None of this is your fault. NONE.
He is a toxic, narcissistic and abusive person.

Don't stand for an ounce of nonsense like this ever again.

Anyone that tries to persuade you to stay or make excuses for behaviour like this, tell them to get to fuck immediately.

I think it might also be worth exploring this in counselling. Cultural norms can play a huge role in how we allow ourselves to be treated and what we choose to accept as normal. This is reinforced by our elders and peers telling us so.

I'm a psychotherapist OP and I've seen countless clients in awful situations like this due to cultural norms, expectations and pressures. I've helped a lot of them to challenge their belief systems around themselves, relationships and respectfully their cultures too.

Just a thought.

Scintella · 14/05/2024 23:14

I would get screaming angry like this when I was in a very unhappy way but felt trapped ( by societal expectations, to not hurt other people ie the DCs, by a selfish DH).

mumofoneanddone82 · 15/05/2024 06:15

Wish I could give you a massive hug!! This sounds horrendous and how you feel is valid. Take some time away from your husband, be strong and ask him for space, time and respect! See how handles this. It is crazy the shit we put up with sometimes (I dated a very troubled man for a couple of years. His behaviour sent me mad and I was in a truly awful place because of him.)! Remember you deserve better and are stronger this. Sending love and big hugs to you. As someone else said, you have to believe this man when he shows you who he is.

lifesrichpageant · 15/05/2024 06:40

How awful. Get yourself some therapy. Nothing (NOTHING) about this is normal, and nothing about this is your fault. Good luck.

WitchyWay · 15/05/2024 06:48

He's a messer and always has been. Steer well clear.

WitchyWay · 15/05/2024 06:52

Marmadoodle · 14/05/2024 08:08

No he hasn’t. And he really does think he has my best interests at heart. It’s my mother who has always been a cruel manipulator (albeit with my dad as an enabler).

If your dad has stayed with a cruel manipulator his whole life, that says a lot doesn't it! His judgement clearly isn't worth much.

Is it possible he has a warped view of what's reasonable in a relationship and is projecting that onto you? Sounds like you could both do with some higher expectations.

BMW6 · 15/05/2024 07:45

So OP what would your Dad think if YOU had some "only" boyfiends on the side?

What about if you get a STI from your DH's serial adultery? Or one of his "only girlfriends" gets pregnant?

Your DH is a total bastard. Your Dad is not much better. Neither of them give a damn about how much you are being hurt.

Heronwatcher · 15/05/2024 07:55

This man is a lying fantasist- there’s nothing wrong with you. Of COURSE he’d say it’s all your fault, it makes him feel like there’s a reason for his horrific behaviour and he’s still a “good guy” 🙄 There’s a term for it in abusive relationships- DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender). Don’t fall for this.

You perhaps wrongly ignored a few too many red flags early on- that’s the only lesson I’d take from this- trust your gut. Otherwise I’d give him as little head space as possible- chalk it up to experience and move on with your life. I think a change of scene, sabattical or something like that would be a good idea but really it’s about what you fancy doing. You may feel a bit odd for a while- that’s normal- but you’ll eventually forget about this mad narcissist.

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