“Women and birthing people. “

[Riapia]

Who said that?
A doula on the PM Programme on BBC R4 tonight between 5.40 and 5.45.

Absolutely this. It's always amazed me how so many women in woman facing roles manage to learn such utter contempt for us. They see us at what they perceive as our weakest and instead of real empathy, learn to loathe us. I know it's a known phenomenon but it's vile.

As someone who had a c section recently in an NHS hospital, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. They did not want to give any pain relief at all post c section, after the first dose. In fact they wanted to send me home within 18 hours of the surgery. I requested to stay in to have more opioid pain relief. It took them 6 hours to bring said pain relief. They weren't any more forthcoming with the paracetamol either. Despite this I wasn't in agony or unable to care for a baby. Discomfort when moving, yes, but it wasn't that bad. Still breastfed without any problems.

Basically they are so understaffed and the ward was overflowing so they just want to get rid of you asap with the minimum care they can get away with.

I don't believe you're a midwife. You would know that women are frequently denied pain relief after birth.

Isn't a "a line of persons with uteruses' a queue of women? Are women being made to queue in maternity wards?

But it doesn't say 1 in 100 people that can experience menopause.
It says 1 in 100 people.

Does that include men because there are lots of claims that men (biological men) go through menopause.

So I ask again is it 1% of women or 2% of women.

Doubling the odds depending on how you read it.

Id assume that it meant 1% of people who have periods. Most smarty pants will do the same.

You werent in agony but still wanted opiods?

Again with the dehumanising language for women

I really hope you’re not a midwife. Your contempt for women is palpable

Lol it's dehumanising to call a woman.. a person? You know person/people means human, right?

"I NOT PEOPLE, I WOMAN"

You assume.

Yes in this instance. No use trying to shame people out of it - it isn't working

But this instance the person said women and birthing people, anyway. So it is ideal for all.

Yes and id be correct because that is pretty much what it does mean.

Exactly. There's a lot of 'assumption' going on from people who (god help us all) have particular skills to navigate this nonsense double speak.

But plenty of ordinary people are getting confused by this terminology. They don't necessarily understand that 'TW' are men. They may not know they have a cervix (wasn't this an issue for some campaign?) They may not comprehend a connection between menopause and periods.

Whereas the biological status of male and female has been a clear differentiator for millennia

Totally redundant. All 'birthing people' are women. Why turn clarity into ambiguity?

People arent nearly as dense as you think.

Doesn't bother me in the slightest as long as women are still being mentioned. I understand that there are people who are uncomfortable with being described as women and I think it's important they're able to still engage with maternity care.

There have been lots of examples of this confusion already.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

for example

Sorry but you seem confused - it'll be for trans men - ie born female, not male.
They still said women, but if trans men are recognised as well I don't have a problem with that.
Showing respect and kindness to everyone giving birth is a good thing, why potentially go out of your way to distress someone giving birth, it can be hard enough.

The majority of people seek the term that refers to them and ignore anything else. They dont care as long as they are included. Some women seemingly feel they arent people so thats why women and birthing people is ideal. Trans men dont seem to mind being called people so dont fuss. Same for non-binary individuals. They dont mind that it says women and birthing people even though most women are people (bar those who identify as non-people).

And this

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/census-transgender-data-ons-gender-identity-b2443686.html

Poor poor child.

The majority of people seek the term that refers to them and ignore anything else. They dont care as long as they are included.

You stating that doesn't make it true

Yes thats because they misunderstand the terms and think a trans woman is a woman who is transitioning to another gender. People beimg incorrect just means they need more education. Not that we should halt progress towards equality.