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To be angry so many girls schools are going Co-Ed?

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FaeryRing · 12/05/2024 20:38

Yet again it’s been proven girls do better in single sex schools (I have a son as well as a daughter so please don’t think I’m ’hating on boys’).

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

In my hometown growing up there were 4 girls schools. 1 grammar, 1 private, and 2 regular secondaries, meaning pretty much all parents regardless of background had access to single sex education for their daughters if they wanted it.

2 have announced their plans to go Co-Ed, with 1 already having done so, leaving just 1 (the grammar, so working class girls will be inherently disadvantaged). This seems to be a pattern across the country.

AIBU to be angry this is happening? Can’t girls have anything to themselves?

Girls do better in exams at all-girls schools than mixed, research finds | Schools | The Guardian

Pupils in girls’ schools in England outperform girls with similar records and backgrounds in mixed schools, analysis says

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/12/girls-do-better-in-exams-at-all-girls-schools-than-mixed-research-finds

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:19

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:02

I’d like to draw your attention to the general online tendency that when women or girls are being discussed in any context someone comes along with: won’t someone think of the menz.

Except nobody has actually said that.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:20

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:52

No they’re not, that’s just your defensive insecurity.

I don’t need to pop up saying NABALT every time teenage boys behaviour is analysed.

I'm not the only poster who has observed this.
Stop trying to write off a valid point with insults.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:22

pointythings · 14/05/2024 18:54

Kein Liebeslied means 'No love song'.

It's the title of a song I like, from one of my favourite German artists. Nothing to do with anybody called Ken, despite some posters being confused.

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 19:22

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 18:59

So you say they are, Kein says they’re not with those exact words.

If they are, please point to a post that says: 'all boys are bad and we just need to keep our perfect girls away from them' or words to that effect.

Edited

Direct quotes from a poster, very much referring to boys as “they” and “them” rather than using the word “some”. This lumps all boys together.

“Boys take up much more space in the playground.
They get more teacher time and the girls are neglected because of this.
They are more likely to show aggressive or high level disruptive behaviour.
I'm willing to bet sexual assaults in school, upskirting and so on is very predominantly carried out by boys.”

”I would prefer DD to be able to focus on education without the unnecessary distraction of boys and all the issues that come with them.”

“the boys feel entitled to the space. They also think nothing of ordering girls off the play equipment as they feel it's theirs”

“Google this website and 'throwing chairs. Look at every thread and tell me the sex of the thrower. I've heard this from a lot of teachers. My DD is 5 and regularly complains about 2 boys in her class being disruptive, hitting her and other pupils.”

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 19:22

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:17

It's German, not Irish.

Was a joke

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:23

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 18:55

Aw that’s sad

It's a brilliant break up song by one of my favourite German artists. No need to feel sad.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:25

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 19:22

Was a joke

Oh.
Well at least your attempt at humour wasn't as offensive as the one a few pages back.

Greengablesfables · 14/05/2024 19:27

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:25

Oh.
Well at least your attempt at humour wasn't as offensive as the one a few pages back.

I thought it was funny. Made me chuckle a few times. Shouting Ken! in an Irish accent. Sounds like Kein! Funny huh? No? Oh ok. Can’t win em all.

WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:27

Mirabai · 13/05/2024 10:46

Well I think it’s fairly clear from MN that it’s true. How many MNers are in relationships with men they can’t stand up to & ride roughshod over them?

However, boys are also intimidated by girls which is one of the reasons why they can be such arseholes to them at school and beyond.

Boys develop strategies to keep the girls down: degrading sexual insults, marks out of 10, relentless criticism, piss taking, outright chauvinism and misogyny.

Boys develop strategies to keep the girls down: degrading sexual insults, marks out of 10, relentless criticism, piss taking, outright chauvinism and misogyny.

Do you not want to bring your boys up not to be like this? My son is at university now and would be horrified by this sexist behaviour. He is nothing but respectful to girls and women because of how we have raised him. He has a sister and understands the issues that women face today and is disgusted by some aspects of male behaviour.

I think you need to raise your standards. It’s possible to do better than this so please don’t assume all boys are like this. For your sons’ sake.

WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:29

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 19:22

Direct quotes from a poster, very much referring to boys as “they” and “them” rather than using the word “some”. This lumps all boys together.

“Boys take up much more space in the playground.
They get more teacher time and the girls are neglected because of this.
They are more likely to show aggressive or high level disruptive behaviour.
I'm willing to bet sexual assaults in school, upskirting and so on is very predominantly carried out by boys.”

”I would prefer DD to be able to focus on education without the unnecessary distraction of boys and all the issues that come with them.”

“the boys feel entitled to the space. They also think nothing of ordering girls off the play equipment as they feel it's theirs”

“Google this website and 'throwing chairs. Look at every thread and tell me the sex of the thrower. I've heard this from a lot of teachers. My DD is 5 and regularly complains about 2 boys in her class being disruptive, hitting her and other pupils.”

Yes I have just mentioned another one here. Generalising and stereotyping that we would not tolerate about many other groups.

Boys develop strategies to keep the girls down: degrading sexual insults, marks out of 10, relentless criticism, piss taking, outright chauvinism and misogyny.

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:29

WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:14

Of course we are! Because girls schools’ aim is to keep girls away from boys, so boys’ behaviour is integral to the discussion. Were you trying to be clever with that comment?!

Is it though? Can girls be kept away from boys? Unless you put them in a convent of course.

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:31

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 19:22

Direct quotes from a poster, very much referring to boys as “they” and “them” rather than using the word “some”. This lumps all boys together.

“Boys take up much more space in the playground.
They get more teacher time and the girls are neglected because of this.
They are more likely to show aggressive or high level disruptive behaviour.
I'm willing to bet sexual assaults in school, upskirting and so on is very predominantly carried out by boys.”

”I would prefer DD to be able to focus on education without the unnecessary distraction of boys and all the issues that come with them.”

“the boys feel entitled to the space. They also think nothing of ordering girls off the play equipment as they feel it's theirs”

“Google this website and 'throwing chairs. Look at every thread and tell me the sex of the thrower. I've heard this from a lot of teachers. My DD is 5 and regularly complains about 2 boys in her class being disruptive, hitting her and other pupils.”

And you read these comments and interpret them to mean: “all boys are bad” is that so?

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:33

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:29

Is it though? Can girls be kept away from boys? Unless you put them in a convent of course.

The aim of some posters is definitely to keep the girls away ftom boys, at least in educational terms. You don't have to read many posts to pick up on that.

Riversideandrelax · 14/05/2024 19:33

WalrusOfLove · 12/05/2024 21:17

Should we also separate pupils by socioeconomic status so the posh kids don't get distracted by antisocial behaviour?

We already do - they're called grammar schools!

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:34

Riversideandrelax · 14/05/2024 19:33

We already do - they're called grammar schools!

I'm so glad that there isn't such a system where we live.

WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:37

We as a society need to do better. We need to have conversations about misogyny and equality from an early age. These conversations start at home.

As kids get older it is harder to protect them from society’s sexism. We need to bring up our sons and daughters with respect for the opposite sex and teach mutual respect.

Hopefully we will get to a stage one day where segregation is not needed. We should have high expectations of boys.

I am from a different culture. I am often shocked at the low expectations we have of teens in this country. That we expect them to be rude and obnoxious etc. We should raise the bar.

That negativity doesn’t happen as much in my background. I see so many comments here about ‘teen boys and their hormones’. My experience from my son and his friends is to see hormones affect them with temporary self-consciousness, social withdrawal and neurosis in the difficult years rather than aggression and hideous sexist behaviour. I am sure I am not alone.

And I am not discounting that some male teens behave appallingly and make girls’ lives terrible. But I just know that there is another way for boys to behave and we all need to encourage that. It’s not impossible.

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 19:37

Riversideandrelax · 14/05/2024 19:33

We already do - they're called grammar schools!

Private you mean! Grammars segregate based on academic ability.

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FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 19:38

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:33

The aim of some posters is definitely to keep the girls away ftom boys, at least in educational terms. You don't have to read many posts to pick up on that.

Well of course it is. What do you think we’ve been discussing this whole time? Confused

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WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:39

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:29

Is it though? Can girls be kept away from boys? Unless you put them in a convent of course.

I guess in some backgrounds it is. Some cultures favour single sex schools because of the segregation and they keep their home lives pretty much the same. If the parents are dropping and collecting their girls, it’s pretty easy to maintain segregation. I see it at the grammar schools in our city.

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:39

WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:27

Boys develop strategies to keep the girls down: degrading sexual insults, marks out of 10, relentless criticism, piss taking, outright chauvinism and misogyny.

Do you not want to bring your boys up not to be like this? My son is at university now and would be horrified by this sexist behaviour. He is nothing but respectful to girls and women because of how we have raised him. He has a sister and understands the issues that women face today and is disgusted by some aspects of male behaviour.

I think you need to raise your standards. It’s possible to do better than this so please don’t assume all boys are like this. For your sons’ sake.

What a stupid post.

Implying that because I’m aware how some boys and men behave I am raising my sons like that? Is that likely?

Those at the back seem to need to have it spelt out: NABALT in big fluffy letters. Don’t tell me to raise my standards when your standards of comprehension are on the floor.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:41

FaeryRing · 14/05/2024 19:38

Well of course it is. What do you think we’ve been discussing this whole time? Confused

Thanks for agreeing with me - my comment was actually in response to someone disagreeing that was what was happening on this thread.😉

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:43

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:33

The aim of some posters is definitely to keep the girls away ftom boys, at least in educational terms. You don't have to read many posts to pick up on that.

It’s a very odd and paranoid way of looking at it. What bad behaviour by girls are boys’ schools trying to keep them away from?

Another76543 · 14/05/2024 19:43

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:31

And you read these comments and interpret them to mean: “all boys are bad” is that so?

Using phrases such as “boys”, “they” and “the boys” does suggest that they are all being lumped together, otherwise the word “some” should have been used.

WhySoMuchNoise · 14/05/2024 19:44

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:39

What a stupid post.

Implying that because I’m aware how some boys and men behave I am raising my sons like that? Is that likely?

Those at the back seem to need to have it spelt out: NABALT in big fluffy letters. Don’t tell me to raise my standards when your standards of comprehension are on the floor.

You never say ‘some’. I am glad you have clarified.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 14/05/2024 19:45

Mirabai · 14/05/2024 19:43

It’s a very odd and paranoid way of looking at it. What bad behaviour by girls are boys’ schools trying to keep them away from?

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