Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Yep, you're correct.

That wont work with nuclear superpowers though

This will probably be known as he "bloody era".

Not really... This is the most or one the most peacful times in history apparently

How would vomitees stop a war which started?

It doesn't feel like it sometimes!

It must have slightly improved from last century.

But it feels like there's still so many wars and conflicts

Nope it's actually going to get a lot worse at some point, A big chunk is actually peaceful at moment but we are heading for a time when resources become more scarce.

this is a good time to make sure what ever country you are in is investing in defense.

Intervene. And talk to them. When two countries are bitterly fighting, they just won't listen to each other

It's "you hurt me, but you hurt me first" over and over. They need outside parties to get them to move on in a better way.

As I remember, outside countries including the USA intervened in the northern Ireland conflict. And they really helped to get peace there

None of us want to see unnecessary suffering but leaders have fought over boundaries, religions etc since humans existed.
Who decides if a war is justified or not - certainly not random committee of other nationalities!

The only way resources will get more scare is through artificial means. There is no reason whatsoever for that to happen naturally in anything close to the near future.

That’s painfully naive considering the situation we have today with Russia and Ukraine. The motivation also needs to be considered.

@Carly944 there is a level of peace in NI in that there is much less terrorist activity such as bombing, however there are still many in NI and in Ireland who would love to see a unified Ireland.

@Carly944 yes there are still ongoing wars and conflicts, but there have been more in the past.
I don't think wars will ever stop completely.

Russia started a war. Israel did not.

Do you think no one is trying that? Other countries regularly broker peace talks with countries in conflict.

You've just made a weak argument OP , by referring to past events that took place before Eurovision existed, it's sidetracked the discussion.

If you'd said I don't understand why people feel Israel should've been banned when the UK wasn't while we bombed Iraq and neither is Azerbaijan when they are actively eradicating Armenians (who are also in the competition), it might've been clearer.

Regardless on thoughts on Israel- Ukraine did not attack Russia nor commit a terrorist act like hamas did on 7th October- Russia attack was unprovoked.

There is plenty of ways resources can get more scarce, droughts, climate change etc. and that doesn't even take into account wars.

You are very naive if you don't think there will be wars over resources.

If other really countries wanted to stop the Russia/Ukraine war they would.

What has any country done?

I think with this particular war - russia/ukraine, that probably Putin has too many commercial and business influences with other countries , thats why those other countries wont intervene.

No I disagree. Read the whole thread.

I later pointed out that other countries are involved in current issues and they still haven't been banned

But it is becoming increasingly argued by organisations like Amnesty International that Israel is committing war crimes. That’s when it loses any moral high ground, no?

You can’t seriously be asking this question? Do you actually follow the news?

It's not naive at all. Outside countries often get involved, to try to end conflicts. Look at history.

Though I think they pick and choose what wars they want to stop, depending on who the aggressor is. If the aggressor benefits their own country in many ways, they won't get involved.

Yes I do.

What do you do?

Absolutely agree Colourofspring

The rules of what the west or western supported countries are allowed to get away with in the name of peace has changed as people are no longer so accepting of this

For too long Isreal atrocities have been ignored by western governments and they stupidly thought it would be again

the shift I believe is permanent in a similar way as how views shifted with the Vietnam war

What I do isn’t relevant, as I am not the one asking these inane questions