Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

But there were talks, boycotts, sanctions.

What do you imagine would work?

Oh dear. That’s an entirely relative statement.

I doubt they would have excluded Russia if Ukraine had initiated a mass slaughter and abductions as the trigger. Not at all comparable

Those voting to show support for Israel had 1 country to vote for. The vote against Israel could have been split anything up to 24 different ways. It tells us nothing. Especially since people who pay to vote in Eurovision is probably not a representative sample.

There are plenty of ways resources can get scarce but we aren't in any particular oncoming danger of any of them right now unless we artificially manufacture reasons.

Nearly every war ever has been fought for resources. But in recent history those wars have been fought for control rather than scarcity. So yes, we will continue to see wars over resources, but not because they are running out. Because they aren't.

Haven’t read the whole thread but the most shameful thing for me is that the uk public vote gave Israel top points.
I would feel ashamed voting for them knowing they are currently killing innocent civilians and committing war crimes.

The UK also funds Israel and has sent naval ships close to Iran threatening to attack them if they defend themselves against Israel.

Ukraine is not the aggressor. Surely that's obvious!

Really? So the fact that Israel has slaughtered over 30,000 civilians from Gaza isn't the same?
How about when the UK illegally invaded Iraq with the USA and slaughtered 100,000's of Iranian civilians ? All for Tony Blair's lies.

Do you know any history at all?

That's cope and it's pathetic. One of the main reasons we are where we are today in terms of polarisation of political debate is because of the extreme cognitive dissonance most people show when faced with evidence they don't like. To everyone else your argument makes no sense Both Ireland and Sweden would have scored massively highly in the public vote if people had wanted to vote to support Palestine with their votes. They didn't.

Its such a farce. We're supposed to believe that the public gave the highest scores to Israel and Ukraine? It's beyond a joke.

@Carly944 I have read the thread, I think you've weakened your argument but conflating two different issues

Many people didn’t watch this year and boycotted it. People who would have otherwise watched and voted. It doesn’t surprise me that the voting was skewed.

Ah the old I don't like the results they must be skewed for some reason.

There is no similarity between Russia and Israel.

Israel are defending themselves against an attack by a power that has long threatened to destroy them in an area of historically disputed land.

Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked and started a war.

I don’t agree with what Israel are now doing but they’re not comparable.

It's a completely different situation. Generally in history you'll notice the initial aggressor gets less sympathy, even if they ultimately come off worse.
Again, the uk and us argued that 9/11 was the trigger. An excessive response to mass murder is generally tolerated more than an unprovoked invasion.

As were Israel on 7/10

@MidnightPatrol

I think you have misunderstood my intention. I don't care that we didn't win. It is the most obvious recent example of political voting to show support for a country under attack and since the OP was seemingly surprised by the political voting this year, it felt relevant. It was really important to give Ukraine that show of support and therefore they deserved to win.

But it's not two countries because Palestine is not recognized as a country. So proud of Ireland though that steps are being taken to change this

I think it played a part. Not the whole answer of course. But I think any ‘pro-Palestine’ voting was split, whereas there was an easy target for ‘pro-Israel’ voters. Voting analysis is always complex.

I didn’t listen to the songs this year. Maybe the Israeli entry was fab.

It is fine for the Israeli entry to get votes. Though I feel it would have been more in the spirit of Eurovision if she hadn’t tried to make a political statement with her song.

Israel was invaded, like Ukraine.

Neither country started the current hostilities.

The fact that they are not part of Europe should mean they can't enter. Might as well call it worldvision at this point with all the outside countries that are in it.

Yes….
the same is true of Israel

Seems a lot of this going on.