Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

It must be wonderful to be so “sensible”
Us foolish people just feel so devastated and helpless to see bodies of children on our screens daily.

From another forum;

’Eurovision is only the name because it was started by some European broadcasting companies, but there's nothing in the rules about it only being for European countries/broadcasting companies. Morocco competed once in 1980, both Azerbaijan, and Armenia is technically more on the Asian continent than the European, and they've both participated for many years now. Israel is also not a European country but they've participated for ages.’

I lost a lot of sympathy for the Israeli singer when she said she’s joining the IDF after this.

Hard though when hamas hide literally under the homes of civilians and the clinical rooms of hospitals though innit. But you don't care about that. That their guerrilla war tactics mean nothing 🤷‍♀️🟡

@Cherrysoup by all accounts she’s being conscripted though.

But possibly not a diplomatic thing to mention in interviews.

Can I ask why it is batshittery (in your view) please?

It's because it's online and visible. Uyghurs are not showing the suffering online nor do others.
It's basically out of insta out of mind kind of thing for many. Works with natural/manmade disasters too. Crys for Morocco after earthquake, more people dead in Libia after flood in the same week iirc and nada. Silence really compared to few days before.

It's for members of the European Broadcasting Union.

Australia - for example - is an associate member. Many non-European countries perform, as they are members of the EBU.

Well, if that’s her reality, why not?

How do people harassing a young women and making her feel scared to the point of requiring extra security guards help that?

Maybe it’s because people want to voice their opposition in any way possible. As the media and most of our governments seem determined to side on one side of the narrative.

So the many innocent men, women and children are just collateral damage to you? Yes, I guess that is usually the case when it comes to brown Muslims. I guess the pro-Israel movement can be argued as being Islamophobia in disguise.

Incredible that anyone who supports Palestine is a loon, yet anyone who show no sympathy for Palestinians and see them as collateral damage is showing common sense.

Disgraceful.

Israel are Ukraine in your analogy. It was invaded on 7th October, by Hamas.

It's Israel that ALWAYS gets attacked actually:

• The Arab-Israel War of 1948
• The Fedayeen of 1948 to 1967
• The Six Day war of 1967 (Israel technically started this one but only preemptively as they knew they were about to be attacked)
• War of Attrition from 1967 to 1979
• Yom Kippur War of 1973
• Palestinian Insurgency in South Lebanon from 1971 to 1982
• South Lebanon Conflict from 1985 to 2000
• First Intifada 1987 to 1993
• Second Intifada 2000-2005
• Lebanon War in 2006
• Gaza war in 2008
• Israeli Gaza operation in 2012
• Gaza war 2014
• Israel-Palestine crisis of 2021

Look at this list, Israel didn't start any of these conflicts.

You can tell who the aggressor is - it's the one favouring eternal war over finding and negotiating a lasting peaceful settlement. Remember the three “Nos” from the Arabs at the end of the Six Day War?; No recognition, no negotiations, no peace.

Israel isn’t perfect, but no country is. Israel has done a lot of good things, and also a lot of bad things - like every single other country on the planet.

Say what you like about the Israelis, they are very tough negotiators, but also pragmatic and interested in solutions. Palestinians and Arab leaders take no responsibility for the disaster they have brought on their own people, both by the ineptness of their leadership and the autocracy and corruption of their governments.

I don’t get this at all.

1. the means possible you are using are just bullying someone. Everyone has seen the protests everywhere and knows what the protestors think. Victimising one person is unacceptable.
2. if the govt have taken sides why have they allowed the protests, week in, week out, without actually policing some of the undeniably antisemitic behaviour at some of them?

protesting is a right. Bullying is different.

I thought all people knew that in Israel military service was mandatory for women from the age of 18. You can’t pretend that it’s not, otherwise there is a question why. It’s just a fact.

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I think it’s because Ukraine isn’t committing war crimes.

Agreed.

Humans always want land power resources.

I wish there were more international committees that intervenes and stops any wars from happening.

Like we could get to a state where wars are totally banned

“October 7th protests” What?!

And in 1972 when the British Army murdered 14 people at a civil rights march in cold blood? Were The New Seekers banned? Did the crowd boo like a braying mob through Beg, Steal or Borrow. No they weren't and no they didn't. In fact the came second with Ireland giving the UK 6 points.

All the conflicts in the Middle East Yemen, Syria and others, Africa in Sudan, Somalia and others killing men women and children.

Where are the protests about them or using your words does it not matter when it's 'Brown Muslims' commiting these acts. It seems only it matters if Israel are involved.

Majority of this is pure antisemitism at work.

Perhaps history is not your forte. There is huge history behind both attacks. Neither came out of the blue.

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a planet with no wars. I feel like we have barely evolved in the last hundred years.

This will probably be known as he "bloody era".

Why can't they set up more international committes. So when wars start, the committees intervene and stop the war

You know one of the overriding messages of last night was that the European public gave Israel 311 points (323-12 from the RoTW) for a fairly mediocre song. That tells me and most people, that there is a silent majority all around us that have a hell of a lot more sympathy for Israel than they feel able to voice.