Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

It’s completely unreasonable to harass and bully one young women who is representing their country, when she has done absolutely nothing wrong.

Answering your comment with factual information makes me bizarre, defensive and weird?
OK then.

I think it's very defensive and whitewashing of you, when you say that world war two which was a mass genocide and murder of millions of people, has nothing in common with current wars.

Very bizarre. You are whitewashing it. World war two was genocide as well. You can't brush over it

For those who think Israel shouldn’t have been allowed to enter, did you also think the UK shouldn’t have been allowed to in 2003 when we took part in the invasion of Iraq?

It often seems that when it comes to most countries people are willing to see nuance and accept that things are complicated. But when it comes to Israel - let’s all boo any Israeli like a pantomime villain.

In this climate can you really blame some Israelis for adopting a ‘no one like us and we don’t care’ Millwall siege mentality?

Well said 👏

What was your "factual information".

I don't see any.

What I did see is you saying "why are you picking on Germany, is it an easy target".

Is that you providing "factual information?

Don't misquote me.
I did not say they had 'nothing in common'.
I didn't say WW2 wasn't horrific (in fact I have mentioned several times how many countries commited atrocities in WW2).
I did say if you were to exclude any country that had committed atrocities, either in a war or some other way, then there would be few countries left.
Presenting factual information is not being defensive, for what feel like the umpteenth time.

Do you agree that germany committed the most atrocities in world war two?

@Kneidlach you are correct. OP seems to think we can take a potted view of history though. Most of Europe would be excluded if we eliminate any country that's ever been involved in a war or atrocity at some point.

Not really. Russia invaded a country, without provocation. That is not the case with Israel, whatever you think of what they are doing now.

As do most israel citizens have to join the IDF and complete their service, joining the IDF when it's conscription isn't the gotcha you think.

Stop suggesting I have said things I haven't - not once did I say that the Nazi regime did not commit horrendous atrocities, I merely stated that other nations also committed atrocities (both in the world wars and at other times). If we mention WW1 or WW2 we cannot be naive enough to only mention the German Reich (which is also distinct from modern Germany).

None of this is whitewashing or being defensive, it's actual factual information which is available to anyone who cares to learn.

Lol
Youre replying to kneidlach like she said something that I didn't say.

She is saying exactly the same thing that I did.

Exactly What I said

I have said that many many countries in europe have committed atrocities. It literally says that in my firsr opening post.

You (who is german) strangely ignores what i actually wrote, and strangely seems to think that I only wrote that germany has done this.

I actually wrote about lots of countries , not just yours. You keep going on about germany because obviously you get defensive when you hear germanys name. Germany was one of a list of countries mentioned.

It's covered in the first sentence in this page.

Eurovision Song Contest - Wikipedia

It's interesting there seems to be mass protests about Israel but when any other country in the Middle East is killing each other which many are doing in Syria, Yemen etc these same people are strangely silent. These same people are also quiet about Egypt not opening the borders.

It seems to only be worth protesting when Israel are involved probably because not everybody but a fair chunk of them are antisemites.

I realise that. I wasn't trying to do a gotcha, just making a point that Eden golan is not as far removed from what is happening in gaza as some may think
quite a few israelis have refused military service in recent years and have as a result been imprisoned

They've attacked each other many times since the late 1940s, this is nothing new.

I agree with this

The Nazi Regime was responsible for more atrocities than other nations, undoubtedly. I haven't suggested anything to the contrary tbh.

I see the antisemites are out in force under the guise of antizionism!

Well, tough luck. Israel did amazingly in both the public vote and the main vote.

Despite the loud voices online, the pro-Palestine/Hamas loons are a tiny minority. Most sensible people see that it's a war against terrorist entity, not a genocide.

@Carly944
I'm not German.
Germany isn't 'my country'.
I just prefer factual information.
😂

One of the most batshittery posts ever, thanks for the laugh 😂🟡

Virtue signalling is part of it I think.
In reality there's a crazy amount of suffering in our world, certain conflicts just seem to get more focus.

If Palestine were participating I bet you the act would not have been scared and harangued.

Regardless of whether we think Israel should be there or not, they were there and the act should be treated with the same respect as the others at the actual event.