Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Absolutely it is fully understood and accepted and in fact has been explained to all others by Jewish mumsnetters (those who declared themselves Jewish) on the CME threads that using the terms
Israeli Government
Netanyahu
IDF
and criticism of those is not anti-semetic.

She was literally representing Israel

And you equated this with ‘representing genocide’.
Tell me was Jessica Garlick representing genocide in 2003?

ndeed I did... with evidence... of which I have much more evidence

Your evidence was of a camping that all participants - including Sam Ryder - are allowed to partake in. I’d love to see the “loads more evidence” which show the Israel votes were invalid but I suspect it’s one of those things you don’t want to ‘hand me on a plate’

Nope... didn't say it

So why do you see the Ukraine 2023 songs about attacks on innocent people as completely different to the Israel song about the same thing?

Again though... this definition you keep going on about is not applicable

What isn’t applicable? The anti/Semitic definitions?

So are you going to answer why you twisted it when I said it IS anti-Semitic to compare Israeli government to Nazis and showed why? Why did you respond as if I’d made a completely different point

If calling out a genocide is anti-Jewish racism, then the following are all antisemites:

B’Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation run by Israeli lawyers, in Israel
Haaretz, and Israeli newspaper
Times of Israel, and Israeli newspaper
The UN
Save the children
Medicine San frontiers
UNICEF
International Rescue
The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, run by Israeli Jews
Jewish Voice for Peace
Bernie Saunders
Anthony Blinken who finally admits Israel has broken International law.
The families of the 496 doctors so far killed in Gaza
The hundreds of journalists and aid workers killed
The many many Jews joining pro-Palestinian marches

Antisemites the lot of them.

This one.

Not sure what website you are on there

Oh FFS picture didn’t attach

You specifically said it was endorsed by 35 countries, of which Ireland is not one.

Also from your own link: 'IHRA’s non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism'

Accuse me all you want but there is a reason why your posts are vanishing.

And please... how do you think throwing accusations with every post gets your point across? Do you think it makes you look like a serious person to be respected? Do you think it gets your point across? Or does it deflect and distract from the point at hand. Please consider this!

What is being done in Gaza is genocide.

Yes.

Why else would Daniel pretend I said “Being pro-Palesntian is anti-Semitic” when I have in fact never said that denied it many time and what I actually said was “Comapring the Israeli government to Nazis is anti-Semitic”. Do you have any idea because Daniel appears to be ignoring me

PROOF please @yamuvva
of that clapping and cheering! By people. If it was the German army then I assume you would have said by the German army. So PROOF that people clapped and cheered in the context you state.

Bloody marvellous bit of research there @AhNowTed 👏👏👏👏

Your own website. The link you keep posting. It lists 35 countries, of which Ireland ain't one

I promise I won’t - I have already said I don’t consider being pro-Palestinian as automatically being anti-Semitic but I do tend to use the IHRA definitions as a benchmark and sometimes people can be pro-Palestinian AND anti-Semitic. Only sometimesS

I know it’s not. I never said it was. I keep saying this so I don’t know why you keep saying it to me.

Sorry I wasn't giving you sufficient attention love, I was eating an ice cream and trying to avoid spillage. Hope that's ok with you x

I rarely report as I prefer for comments to stand, I’m a big girl and can handle unsavoury comments on MN.

I know others report anti-Semitic comments and MN are fairly good at taking them down

Ah I thought you were referring to the latter part of my post! Phew! Was very confused for a moment

but k stand by what I say about the comments on this thread

I'm busy ignoring you apparently. So how can I keep saying anything to you 🤔

They are a member of IHRA. I’m not sure what link Helen was looking at, maybe another member organisation

It’s not anti- Semitic and no one on this thread has said it is, despite the protestations.

Bkess you for getting the list together though that must have taken some work

Dunno the origin of the list. But New Zealand was also very conspicuous by its absence.

BTW everyone I apologise for my APPALLING SPAG. My current medication is giving me fuzzy eyes but I can spot the odd part of my posts that don’t make sense.

Ireland is one of them.
How can you deny this?
The IHRA’s definition on its own is not legally binding because they are not

The reason your posts are still standing is because they haven’t been reported but please do consider my points on why they perpetuate anti-Semitic rheotric. I mean why would you not want to?! Especially if you’re always accused

And Russia is barred from Eurovision as it was suspended from the EBU

You’re still avoiding the point completely.

I am talking about Nazi comparisons