Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Tbh I thought the original title for the song, October Rain, should have stood. She wasn’t talking about what was happening in Gaza, but was singing a song about her own people being murdered on October 7th. These people weren’t soldiers, they were people just going about their lives, and I think the song title was perfect. It’s okay to separate what happened on October 7th from what is happening in Gaza.

<Massive sigh>

I haven’t said otherwise.

However there HAVE been anti-Semitic comments on this thread, and I will call them out

Inahve never called someone anti-Semitic for simply being pro-Palenstian. I don’t think you’ve said anything anti-Semitic at all

Cop on, they did nothing of the sort. And it's really shocking that you'd try and make any equivalence with the Holocaust here.

Indeed.

The perception that Jewish = white is very damaging

Yes it is

But hang on - are intergovernmental organisations only relevant if Ireland is a member

Well then that text tallies EXACTLY with what I’ve been claiming all along then so I’m glad that’s cleared up

"You have claimed Eden Golan is involved in Israeli government propaganda with her act"

She was literally representing Israel

"You have cast doubt on the validity of the Israel votes"

Indeed I did... with evidence... of which I have much more evidence

"You have stated that Israel promoting their Eurovision campaign internationally is for rent to other countries because Israel’s promotion involves promoting genocide."

Nope, didn't say it

"You have implied that the violent terrorist attack on Jews is not as valid as violent attacks on other people"

Nope... didn't say it

"Thats all bullshit and if you look at the IHRA definitions they are all steeped in anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jewish people being liars, thieves, dangerous and pretend to be the Corin when they’re not. Lies that meant that when Jewish people were marched into the ghettos in Eastern Europe in the 30’s and 40’s, people weren’t horrified and no one tried to stop it - they clapped and cheered."

Again though... this definition you keep going on about is not applicable

Yes it’s rather disingenuous to say women don’t start wars, I’ve heard this before and it’s just not true

I’m not open to debating on is comparing the Israeli government to Nazis is anti-Semitic, no.

I have never once said being pro-Palestinian is anti-Semitic so why you keep repeating that I have seems to align with you gaslighting behaviour TBH

You can keep using catchphrases all you want. It doesn't help your argument though.

Would you like it from a UK or Israeli media source? I’ve a feeling you don’t trust Israeli media

I will look into the Bambi Thug thing, I have time on my hands for various reasons at the moment and I’m interested in earlier posts I didn’t quite understand (though I think some Amy have actually been deleted now)

Which of these countries is Ireland? (From your own link)

Did the IRA have conscription?? Must have missed that.

Lol... you're accusing someone else of gaslighting? 😂

O could fine one article that stated she had been ‘called up’ to the IDF for her return but she stated her focus and priority and ambition will always be music.

I can’t tell if that means she’s reluctant or if she is distancing herself from her conscription but people are making out she’s positively gleeful about it when she clearly isn’t

Well with all due respect, don't perceive everything as an insult to Israel. If you look back at my posts, I referenced the Israeli government rather than the people as a whole.

Well it does apply in your country, they are an IHRA member and endorse therefore anti-Semitic definitions

But I hadn’t realised that it’s ok to perpetuate racist stereotypes as long as you’re sort of a certain country. Or is this only for anti-Jewish racism? Can o use racist language if for example o was form Australia?

I agree with you but if the call was made by Eurovision to make her change it then so be it - I guess we have to trust their decision and she was allowed to compete with it under another title

Sorry who did toning of the sort?

It's NOT racist to disagree with actions of the Israeli government and army. Not one bit. And it completely wrong for you to suggest that

If anyone is making anti-semetic comments you need to report them to MNHQ and I assure you they will be taken down.

As it is
None of the comments referred to and non of the pro Palestinian / supporters of peace here have had any of their comments taken down.
As far as I have seen it’s been the pro Israeli sounding supporters who have had their comments removed.

But please @yamuvva, report anti-semetic posts if there are any.

You did. And, no, I won't go back and find it for you

Interesting. Republic of Ireland is very conspicuous by its absence on that very long list, which by a quick count includes 90% or more of western democracies.

You’ve just got to open your eyes and see for yourself. It’s all out there but it seems you’re blinded and won’t see it