Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

🤣 and what colour are Israeli people? a very pale green perhaps in certain lights, or a delicate shade of mauve with yellow spots?

Then you can’t Google properly as there’s endless sources

You can have the BBC source if you don’t believe the Jewish newspaper https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjewg9enx27o.amp

On my Google travels I actually also found a series of FAQs from Eurovision about Israel’s inclusion including why they could compete but Russia couldn’t. It’s an interesting read, but may answer the persistent questions people are asking here

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/frequently-asked-questions-israel-24

Ireland is not one of those 35 countries, so your point is irrelevant.

Also, from your own link: "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."

Helen can’t prove the accusation as MNHQ has taken it down and even if @HelenHen had taken a screenshot it would be innapropriate to post it again.

Maybe it is said in some circles - I haven’t seen it in here, on MN or this gene as, and I haven’t claimed that myself.

What I DID claim was that comparing Israeli government to Nazis is anti-Semitic. A point which for some reason you have read as “If you support Palestine you’re anti-Semitic”

And Golda Meir. And Indira Ghandi. And Hilary Clinton.....oh wait....Hilary couldn't even beat Donald Trump. LoL

Grand so. You seem very open to both points of view 🙄

We obviously have different algorithms because I only ever see Israeli hate on those posts

And frankly the behaviour of the Greece contestant towards Eden Golan warranted being called out. I confess I know nothing about what Bambi Thug is supposed to have done but I might have a look into it

But that isnt saying that being pro-Palestinian is being anti-Semitic. That’s right pointing out the movement is not as peaceful as it makes out. Which I agree with when you see how unsafe the protestors made contestants feel

You said she had death threats.

I asked for
PROOF please !

I have read all these articles, none of them gave any proof of death threats that’s why I asked you for

PROOF please

Do you have any PROOF please of your original statement.

Do look into it. That would be a very productive use of your boundless energy. OR, you could actually DO something if you feel this strongly about it.

I have never said “Only democracy in the Middle East”. You must mean someone else

Who is using it for “excuse a genocide” WRT Eurovision? And how would you feel if an Irish contestant was accused of being an IRA supporter just because she was Irish? Would you not see that wrong assumption as anti-Irish sentiment

Yes you are linking the Israeli contestant on Eurovision to hate and genocide, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

I have provided proof. HTH

I recall a similar thread where someone stated war is always started by men and so many MNs listed all the women who started wars.
Just like these 👏👏

If you were distracted that’s on you.

But you HAVE perpetuated anti-Semitic stereotypes, and you won’t even rebut or address those accusations.

I’m sure you think your semantics are clever but there are objective ways to measure this and I don’t see any to back YOUR claim that Irish people wouldn’t vote for Israel because they are so very pro-Palestine

What if she had no choice but to join the ira?

The last part it seems.

It was fine for Ukraine to do it in 2023. But an Israeli woman singing about a terrorist attack on her people is her partaking in propoganda and trying to trick people with her angelic clothing in the process 🙄

I didn’t mean to belittle what you did - if you did something else alongside it - and did acknowledge that perhaps you did. I realise your kids may be young too and education is important. No need to punish them by making them miss the whole show. That said, some of the performances were so bad, I think it was punishment!!

I was making a wider point about performance activism. I am genuinely sorry if it came across as personal as I didn’t mean it. It was a generic “you”. You seem articulate and that counts for a lot.

I was really belittling the people who post “free Palestine” once but could do more. I am sure there are some people who did boycott the Eurovision and hit the BBC (and others) where it hurts! There will be some people (clearly not you) who simply turned over during Israel’s performance but also didn’t do anything.

Ok so this leads me to believe that you think the atrocities on innocent Ukraine people are valid and worthy of a song but the atrocities on Israelis are not valid or worthy of a song.
Have I got that right?
Can you explain the difference please?

I have not. Your definition of antisemitism does not apply in my country... and I recall was hotly contested in many countries, not universally accepted as you so claim.

So you're wasting your time throwing accusations that are not in fact applicable to me. Just because we're on the Internet does not make your law my law

ha!

You have claimed Eden Golan is involved in Israeli government propaganda with her act

You have cast doubt on the validity of the Israel votes

You have stated that Israel promoting their Eurovision campaign internationally is for rent to other countries because Israel’s promotion involves promoting genocide.

You have implied that the violent terrorist attack on Jews is not as valid as violent attacks on other people

Thats all bullshit and if you look at the IHRA definitions they are all steeped in anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jewish people being liars, thieves, dangerous and pretend to be the Corin when they’re not. Lies that meant that when Jewish people were marched into the ghettos in Eastern Europe in the 30’s and 40’s, people weren’t horrified and no one tried to stop it - they clapped and cheered.

No, I get it. And yes, I could absolutely do more! I do what I can when I can. But yes, I see your point.