Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

For someone who has been having a tantrum over being called anti-Semitic you sure don’t help yourself.
You are basically claiming her whole act was orchestrated to look like she was an angel whilst singing a pro-Israeli government propaganda song. Her song is (maybe, it did change) about a terrorist attack on her country. Where is the propaganda?
Did you think the same about the 2023 Ukrainian song? That it was propoganda?

Again I hate to be a pain in the arse but my eyes are shite at the moment do you have a link please?

I’d like to see evidence there’s an anti-Israel majority but i suspect that kind of data may not be recorded.

We’re you uncomfortable at the Ukrainian 2023 entry which was also about the suffering in war?

No but I’m not claiming that Irish people wouldn’t do X Y Z

And Catherine the Great!

There is no anti israel majority... we're just not fond of genocide and don't tend to support those who do it. As soon as Israel is done genociding Palestine, we can get back to being friends.

Im confused. She's not allowed to sing about a terrible atrocity that happened to her people? Civilians? Or Jewish Civilians don't count?

How does any of that contradict the definitions from the International Holocaust Rememebrance Alliance (applogies I have been wrongly referring to them as the Holocaust Memorial Trust 🤦🏼‍♀️)? This was about the comparison to Nazis. Which IS anti-Semitic. They have never said using the word “genocide” is anti-Semitic

BTW the IHRA has no origins in Israel it actually started in Sweden. Israel, along with 34 other states, is a membership organisation. The IHRA have no skin in the Israel game

But I’m sure posters here no better than an intergovernmental organisation that does this job every day what anti-semitism is 🙄

the media and fans who have been leading a campaign of hate towards, at least, the Irish and Greek contestants, amongst others.

You mean media and ‘fans’ of Israel (ie Israelis). Are you equally horrified by the harrasment (that’s ACTUALLY happened) on Eden Golan?

Its a shame MN are deleting so many of my posts rightly calling out anti-semitism.

I won’t be reporting the anti-s Jericho posts as I think people should see posters for who they are

Not really. Honestly, i cant say i loved it... But I would have been super uncomfortable if Russia did it 🫤 but they were banned though, right?

I’ve never seen it.

I’ve seen people say “Waaaaaah people say supporting Palestine is anti-Semitic” but have never seen that actually been said or even implied.

So what you're saying is... defending oneself against accusations of antisemitism is, in itself antisemitic?

Hamas and their supporters did that because they wanted to harm Jewish people not because they had reached breaking point or had no other choice or thought it would help Palestinians.

Ive read people say it was a peace keeping move or even and understands move. I’m absolutely gobsmacked an anti-Semitic terrorist attack is ever being described this way

So are Azerbaijan - why didn’t they get banned?

I have not spread any misinformation... but your accusations are just ridiculous! This is very tiring and boring tbh.

No I won’t stop because you haven’t proven the accusation your so vehemently saying has been made against you and you continue to rattle out misinformation

Jesus fucking Christ. Stop seeing antisemitism where there is none. People are allowed to have different opinions on the actions of the Israeli government without being antisemitic. Like any other country.

Ok so you said
”Indont think comparing Israeli government to Nazis is anti Semitic”
I said
“It is and here’s why, here’s a credible source used by 35 countries the world over”
You replied directly saying
”How is being pro-Palestine being anti-Semitic”

At the very least it’s deflecting at the very worst it’s gaslighting. So which is it? Because you MUST know your reply was nothing to do with what I was saying about the Nazi comparison?

What? What are you even saying?

Honestly I'm actually so sorry for you right now. This waffling hysteria is impossible to follow 😔

There was some discussion earlier today on this thread re disagreements on what brought about this current war.
ie some MNs stating it was October 7th attack by Hamas and some disagreeing and stating one can’t separate the Hamas attack from history.
Obviously Hamas didn’t attack in isolation and during peace.
We just have to look at some facts…..here’s some.
( I’ve included the line chart just to keep up to date info although it is post October 7th and relates to this war only )

The other two bar charts are historical figures.