Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Nope, because he didn't then use it as a means to say Europ is supporting his country massacring another people.

There have been, and I'm neither willing nor able to look them up for you. So believe me or don't. That's entirely up to you.

There you go YaMuvva. Antisemitic accusation! Because I suggested, using evidence, that there was a concerted push for Israeli votes around the world.

Antisemitic!

I'm a bit fed up of the whole 'show me', 'prove it' crap, when this is simply a discussion and everyone else can say what they want. The one time I posted evidence, I get called antisemitic. What is this?

One, plenty of Irish people do support Israel. Two that's not what I claimed, I said we were disgusted by how Bambie and others at the event bullied a very young woman. And, yeah, I'd go out on a limb and say that's how the majority who were aware of it felt.

And, most people absolutely feel she's a bit of a fucking eejit. She's a 31 year old goth, thinks she invented being goth and who claims to be a non-existent sex.

I agree the Greek woman’s actions in the press conference were childish and uncalled for.

Personally I’d be pissed off if someone kept filming me and put it online when I asked them not to. And then the people in charge refused to do anything about it. Joost Klein had enough and lashed out, told a camera woman to fuck off or something similar and was disqualified for it. There is a video out there of someone in the Israeli team mocking him for not being on stage in the dress rehearsal, I can’t be bothered to find it now but it’s on Reddit and Twitter.

I can see why the artists didn’t want to be shown with Eden. When a video of Kaarija was posted a few days ago of him dancing with her, he received death threats and had to distance himself from it. Which is a shame because he was quite friendly with last years Israel entry. These are people entering a singing competition, a lot of them are inexperienced with the media and shouldn’t be put in a position where they get threatened online, it’s not fair on them. I also know it’s not fair on Eden either as she has no control of what her government do. It’s why personally, I think Israel just should have withdrawn this year, for everyone involved, including Eden. I get they maybe didn’t want to look like they were giving in to the protesters, but she’s so young, and it’s just a singing contest.

It's basically 'you are anti Semitic' if you express any disagreement with the actions of the Israeli government (and note I said Government, not people). Blowing Gaza to bits is a ok.

Tbh my main takeaway from this is how does Israel have so much time for a stupid singing contest, with all that is going on? Yes they should have withdrew.

Yes, of course there are Irish people who support Israel... but, let's be real here, not many!

And I'm also Irish and I don't see any reflection in Ireland that poor innocent Eden was bullied by bambie???

Non existent sex? Says the one who called me anti semitic for no feckin reason whatsoever!?? Don't be so quick to accuse others when you're being inflammatory yourself.

Hands up, I misremembered how you posted. Sorry. However, I also didn't say that you were antisemitic, I said (wrongly) that you were repeating antisemitic propaganda. Lots of people who I don't believe to be antisemitic repeat antisemitic propaganda quite a bit these days.

As to the voting point. Yeah, the Israelis pushed for a vote for Israel but the RoTW vote is only worth 12 points. So that really, really made very little difference. How many Israelis do you think live outside of Israel? How many do you think live in Ireland? We voted them in second place. What about Australia who voted them in first? They have a Jewish population of 0.4%, most of whom aren't Israeli.

What happened to Eden Golan is Malmo was fucking disgusting. I've supported Palestine my entire adult life. I think Netanyahu is a monster. But I don't support what happened to that young woman at Eurovision.

Thank you for taking it back, but please be more carefully with your words. Throwing around accusations of antisemitism unnecessarily does not help anything.

You did see a reflection of it though. In the 10 points we gave to Israel. You can argue it over and over. But anyone who isn't blinded by cognitive dissonance was disgusted at her treatment.

And yes. Non-binary isn't a sex. It's made up attention seeking narcissism. The vast majority of people know it's bullshit and have very little respect for anyone claiming that identity.

Wtf? You don’t think Albania or Cyprus or Balkan and Baltic states should count as European? Do you think only Western European countries should be considered European? What continent do you think these counties are in?

Some of the countries involved, including some ex-USSR states, are not European, but you are suggested excluding countries that are clearly European because … I don’t know? They’re not close enough to the UK?!

Here’s an explanation of the Irish vote by Mr Cunningham professor of politics at TU Dublin.

The same principle can be applied throughout and it’s just logical really.

It’s always this way @DanielGault
Anyone who has been on Mumsnet on the conflict in the Middle East threads since the beginning of the war will have been putting up with this sort of crap for many months now.
The classic gotchas are requesting proof, then the proof isn’t good enough, then it’s name calling.

It’s really best to just post proof at the beginning and move on. Preferably not stuff off twitter 🤪🤣 and preferably evidenced.

Time will tell. Boycott does not usually have an immediate result. But it is often a very effective tool.

Also as many have pointed out, Eden literally looks like an angel, but there is no doubt that the song was intended to be a propaganda tool. I cannot support that, knowing what she represents. It would make for difficult viewing. So whether there is a result or not, to switch off, to boycott, is a powerful thing that anyone can do.

Yet, people don’t refer to Hamas as “Palestinian Hamas”. 🙄 They say Hamas the terrorists.

I think people overrate their own importance with boycotting. I remember being in Westfield and a group of people were protesting. Basically, they went into Zara and caused a ruckus. They wasted police resources and put shop workers at risk as, of course, the protestors were not all genuine and some had come along to cause a fight only.

There are far more powerful ways of making an impact. I can fully appreciate some people have so little money that they cannot spare a few quid but there are proactive things you can do - write a letter, share a go fund me (or similar).

Switching off the TV during a ridiculous song contest isn’t a boycott. They got your views. It would have more impact if you’d not watched at all and written a complaint to the BBC.

Maybe you did write letters and maybe you go lobby but I’m telling you, there are huge amounts of people who do it all for show. Everyone can do something more than turning off the TV for a singer or ruin the takings of a clothing shop for a day.

A few months ago, the Irish radio had contributors from Israel on their current affairs programmes. To say they were hysterical/fanatical is generous, they were incredibly aggressive. Really, really aggressive. I don't think anyone else would have gotten away with it tbh. Israel (and by that I mean the govt) cannot expect respect if they don't act respectfully themselves.

Don’t you watch the news.
It was all over all news organisations at the time of the last ceasefire.
Nightly raids and arrests……live……Palestinians being detained at gunpoint in the Westbank during the ceasefire.

You seem to think you’re informed but if you are I can’t believe you don’t watch the news

OK it's cool that that is your opinion and that's what you think I should have done. We all do something, whatever it may be. It's not for you to belittle my 'something' and call it nothing. You weren't in my house for the switch off and the discussion. It wasn't nothing!

But you do you and I'll do me! Boycott has worked many times, but let's not shout about that! I'm guessing you're a TS fan? TS fans are known for boycotting and protesting and being vocal, and I think it's wonderful 😊

Here you go.
One article for you.
Im sure you can find others yourself along with footage, if you can’t remember watching it all at the time, occurring over the many days of the hostage release.

Well said 👏

I'm Irish, watched the contest, didn't vote, but if I had voted it would have been for my favourite song - Croatia.
I move in different circles to you as I know no one who voted, and I don't think I know anyone who would have voted for Israel.
When you talk about the vast majority being disgusted by BT's bullying narcissism, do you mean people you know or the country in general? If it's the country, do you have any links to sources?
I don't discuss Israel very freely with people I know (just close friends), so I don't have a real feel for it beyond a small number of people.

Yes I would love to see some evidence that there is a 'silent majority' in Ireland who support Israels actions... other than the votes of a boycotted song competition coupled with a worldwide call to vote