Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

The other contestants didn't need protection because they're not the target of a deranged anti-Semitic "peace" movement. They may have been subject to some online unfavourable commentary and some low level online harassment from some keyboard warriors but only someone arguing in bad faith could possible argue their experience was someway comparable to what Eden Golan went through.

I dare to call them idiots because they are so blinded to reality. Israel are protecting themselves from a murderous Islamic fundamentalist group of Jew haters who are also horribly homophobic to the point that they don't mess around with hurty words, they kill homosexuals with the same apparent relish as they rape and murder Jews

Don't be ridiculous with your condescending 'history is not your forte'. I am so tired of people justifying October 7th with 'Israel are settler colonists'. It is disingenuous and does nothing to help the people of Gaza.

What's 'not been positive' about it? They have fixed the unwieldyness by having heats in advance of the main show. Now the final has a limited number of acts. Which gives more entertainment in the run up, for people that want it.

I genuinely don't understand why you have an issue with countries that are eligible, entering the competition. It has had countries out with Europe eligible to take part for over fifty years, so how has it spoiled it?

How can a peace movement be antisemitic? Sadly the word is in danger of becoming so diluted that nobody will know what it means anymore.

You have got to stop accusing people of being antisemitic because they want the killing to stop. And then, in the next breath, come out and laugh at someone for their sexuality!

Your interpretations here make me rather dubious of your fact-testing and critical analysis techniques 🙃

Do you know loads of people who know Bambie IRL?

I appreciate you may think that
But all the investigations that have been completed are itemised on Wikipedia.
So you’d have to take your concerns up with them and the investigators I think.

I have no issue with calling Queers for Palestine absolute fucking idiots.

1 - For appropriating a slur that was used towards gay people before they were hit and spat at and turning it into a fashion accessory so far removed from homosexuality that it might as well be Pancakes for Palestine.

2 - For uncritically supporting a regime that would and has thrown gay people to their deaths from the rooftops.

3 - For being nothing more than attention seeking self absorbed rent-a-mobs of the exact same ilk that will turn up in balaclavas to abuse women at the drop of a poorly spelled flyer.

They are the absolute pits.

Do you know how to comprehend what's written?

I do yes.

Then why would you ask a random question that had no connection whatsoever to the text you quoted? Maybe try re-reading the post and not making a failed attempt to be a smartarse.

I'm asking you. If you look at lots of posts on here where people quote what the Palestinians have suffered and how that was the cause of 7th October we are told that is irrelevant, there is no context to what they did but if we look at Irgun terrorism then we must consider the context. Now I am happy if we disregard context for both or neither but to excuse one on the basis of context but insist there is no context to the other that seems very unfair to me.

I placed "peace" in inverted commas as I do not see them as such. I see them as a collaboration of naive students and far-left activists that are keen to just have a go at the west and their allies who cannot see beyond "oppressor-oppressed" narratives, allied with genuine Muslim extremism and good old Jew haters who use "Rockefeller" and "Murdoch" and "Mossad" as their hate figures that are really just a stand in for "Jew".

What confirms this for me is when you see banners torn down that suggest there should be any pro quo from Hamas, e.g. hostage release, promises never to repeat 7/10. They don't just not demand that, they actively cleanse their movement of this kind of suggestion. What they want is for Israel to lie prostrate and take whatever is coming to them.

But this is about Eurovision and the disgraceful treatment of Eden Golan by the crowd and fellow contestants. Her performance in the public vote is a sign that there is public recognition for her, and not everyone in Europe is a rabid Jew hater. I wish her all the happiness in the world and I hope she, her family and her country are proud. And one day, those performers her ostrocised her, and those fans who booed, one day, in silent reflection, realise what almighty cunts they were.

Absolutely. I didn't even bother replying to that one tbh 🙄 like anything would justify the abuse being thrown at bambie

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No one is saying that.

The Holocaust Memorial Trust are not saying that.

And that’s not what’s happening here. I’m not sure if you’re being obtuse or you’ve just missed it so I’ll make it clear:

The Holocaust Memorial Trust classifies the following as anti-semitism:

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Thats what has happened on this thread, which is why I called it out. The HMT Is a well established trusted organisation that works with governments, policymakers and relevant organisations the world over on anti-semitism education (among other things). It also explains on that page why these definitions were developed.

Nobody has said that supporting Palestine is anti-Semitic. No one.

You are entitled to your view, I'm old enough to remember eurovision in the 50s and 60s and I am entitled to my view. You might not be old enough to remember what it was like I certainly am.

Do you have rhe URL link please as I struggle to read screenshots sometimes (shit eyes)

I don’t think you’ve said anything anti-Semitic on this thread but other people have

I'm not saying you are not entitled to your view.

I'm asking what specifically about having non-European countries involved has made it worse. Because I don't know.

The competition has changed dramatically, but imo most of that is down to how society has changed. Getting rid of Australia and Israel won't suddenly change Eurovision back to the days of Sandie Shaw and Cliff Richard.

People have though. Lots of them. There has been a distinct thread of anyone expressing horror at the murder in Palestine in anti Semitic. So you can keep your sighs to yourself.

I don’t see a problem with this and wonder if Joost Klein (an apparent bully) was hostile towards the Israeli camp and this is their reaction.

Hardly evidence of the bullying and harassment that people are alleging.

Im disappointed more people aren’t talking about the disgustingly rude 40yo Greece participant who was dramatically Ya waning and making ‘falling asleep’ motions during the press conference when a woman half her age was being interviewed

Except everything you just said is not true, and is your own perception.

Also the public vote was clearly and obviously influenced, and with a clear agenda, as proven by you taking it as 'proof' that people support Israeli actions. You think everyone in Ireland is secretly supporting Israel against Palestine, but rather than voice this, they think a 15p vote will do the job. Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

And I don't laugh at homosexuals. I have contempt and disgust for Queers for Palestine. Similarly I'd have contempt for an African American branch of the KKK at the height of the civil rights movement. They're fucking morons.

Yes it is my perception. This isn't the UN or a court of law, its fucking mumsnet.