Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Hostages were released, an agreement was made and it happened. Why do you assume the same wouldn't happen again?

"A terrorist organisation not to be trusted"

And the Netanyahu government is trustworthy???

A bunch of braying far-right fascists.

‘Germany have obviously started two world wars.’

your grasp of history is sketchy to say the least…

You realise the uk invaded and murdered in basically every country which we came across for a good portion of history?

By your logic that would mean we should all be attacked like Israel then? And then have no right to defend ourselves against continued attacks?
Step away from the propaganda and look at the actual motives of hamas.

There was this exciting thing called the British mandate for Palestine happening at around the same time. There's plenty of interesting historic context to discuss, including Irgun, but if you're going to pick and choose bits of it to suit you don't paint yourself in a brilliant light.

I have made fuller post on the history of Israel furthe rho the thread.

The CURRENT conflict was started by Hamas, whatever way you look at it. They started a fight with a much bigger and stronger player, knowing they will retaliate violently, which leads me to believe they have little consideration for Palestinian children.

Because it’s obvious the rest of the hostages are long dead. Hamas will have to give in at some point or they can just sit and watch the conflict worsen. Either way they don’t care about Palestinians

And they didn’t do it to be kind, it was an agreed exchange. Not because they felt bad.

Did I say that?

I don’t understand why any countries outside of Europe are allowed to compete?

Because it's for members of the EBU - European Broadcasting Union. Membership isn't restricted to countries within Europe.

Bit of a daft name then, if that’s the case.

Is “Why are countries that aren’t in Europe allowed to compete” the new “cancel the cheque”?

Interesting to see how many people on here justify attacking cities full of unarmed citizens with "but heeee started it"

Who’s justified it?

A response that includes orphaning children and causing people to be operated on without anaesthetic??

"if that's the case"

If you don't believe me, feel free to Google it. Which, of course, you could have done to begin with. Or even just RTFT.

Please show me where I have justified this

Members of the EBU, which are all over the world now, are allowed to enter. Israel has been entering since before most of us on this thread were born, 1973 and were entitled to since 1957. Your lack of understanding of who runs the competition and who it's for doesn't make anything close to a mockery of it.

Arguably it's the same as the BBC broadcasting things that were not made in Britain

I have said civilian casualties happens as part of war. I have never justified it nor said I support the war crimes of Israel. Stop telling porkies

I understand what you're saying. My view is that the Palestinians had, over the course of decades, simply reached breaking point, hence Oct 7th. How long would they be expected to endure their situation?