Israel and Eurovision

[Carly944]

I've seen all the protests that Israel shouldn't have been allowed to enter the Eurovision. I don't think politics should be part of eurovision

Has everyone forgotten that a lot of countries at this stage have invaded each other, and that a lot of countries have a bloody and violent past.

The United Kingdom invaded many countries and massacred and killed many many people in the past.

Germany have obviously started two world wars.

Spain have invaded countries and done a lot of brutality to people in the past.

Should none of these countries be allowed to enter eurovision then. If we are going to put politics into it, nearly every European country would be banned from eurovision.

Israel is far from the only country in the world that have invaded and massacred people. Its awful, but it has also been awful when other countries did it. And many of them have. So I'm not sure why there was just the call for Israel to be banned

Oh I know I’m just saying it’s an interesting debate point!

My husband served in the infantry in Iraq. I know he’s a good man, and he went with the belief that he was doing the right thing. But he did kill people, as happens in war. He killed people with guns pointed at him (he was just quickest) but people who, looking back, just wanted to defend their country (that had done nothing wrong) from the arrogant Army who rocked up in tanks saying “It’s fine!! We’re here! We are here to help you - you’re welcome” before proceeding to destroy everything. DH was part of that. So whilst I’d never consider him a war criminal he took part in an illegal war because it was his job and what he was told to do.

It’s probably one for another day and the answer is probably “each case should be judged on its own merit” but it’s certainly not black and white. That goes for ALL conflicts.

Sorry @KeinLiebeslied54321 i was just trying to inject humour into the thread, not being facetious, I’ve enjoyed and agreed with your posts!

Im just amused by some poster’s obsession with your nationality. I don’t quite know what they’re getting at in needing to know mind you

agree that non European countries should not be in it

but the bigger question is where do they find these largely talentless pile of morons ? this year was particularly bad

there were some great acts but not as many ‘all rounders’ as last year, in my opinion

Not RTFT, so apologies if repetitive.

As far as countries outside of Europe participating, any EBU (European Broadcasting Union) member in good standing is eligible to compete, as well as any member country of the Council of Europe. This includes Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, and Australia.

The ban of Russia in 2022 was not directly because Russia invaded Ukraine or because Russia is at war. Russia was not banned when it invaded Georgia in 2008 - in fact, the contest was held in Moscow in 2009 - nor when it annexed Crimea in 2014. It was the booing of the Russian contestants at the 2014 competition that led to the addition of anti-booing technology. In 2022, in response to ongoing Russian broadcasting violations dating back to 2014, the EBU censured Russian EBU members VGTRK and Channel One but said that a Russian entry could still participate as Russia had other EBU member media outlets. Then after the February 2022 invasion it was announced that Russia could not participate, which appears to have been a mistake. Rather than challenging this, all Russian members quit the EBU, meaning Russia was no longer eligible to participate as they were then neither an EBU nor a Council of Europe member. Belarus was also expelled in 2021 for violating EBU broadcasting rules, but can apply to rejoin after three years.

There were calls for Israel to be banned in 2022, but Eurovision officials said that no evidence was found that Israel was noncompliant. Protests calling for Israel to be expelled as a contestant are not new; Algeria, Egypt, Jordan and Libya have always refused to participate because Israel is allowed to participate.

You requested proof that she was joining the IDF
I responded and told you where that information came from.

Nothing more.
Please do not make out that I suggested she was ‘chomping at the bit to murder babies’….only you said anything of the sort,

Furthermore, and whilst it had nothing to do with my original response to your post, women can avoid conscription to the IDF if they chose to make that application. They can join other non fighting groups or go to jail if they disagree with the actions of the IDF. ( see 18 pages of recent war crimes committed by them on wiki )

Hamas have not had ‘control’ of Gaza. How can they control a country blockaded by Israel. I’m assuming you appreciate what a blockade is and how it affects life and trade. As such Hamas have had no ability to fully control the country and life their is stagnated and controlled by the blockade…..hence…..the reason it is called An Open Air Prison !

I do not agree with any terrorist organisation running a country.
I agree with a democratically elected party leading a country.

Agree. If the “optics” of banning Israel were too awkward then they should have just cancelled the whole thing for a year.

@YaMuvva

“It was all a classic example of whatever Israel does its enemies will always find a way of putting it in the wrong”

Yeah ridiculous that they’re getting flak for killing upwards of 13,000 impoverished kids in the past several months.

Ukraine wouldn't be at war if it hadn't been invaded by Russia first in 2014 and then again in 2022.

It just shows how fucking stupid the Eurovision sing song event is that a country on the other side of the planet can compete.

I think Russia was banned because it attacked another country, Israel was the one attacked, you can argue the response has been disproportionate but the reason for Israeli actions is pretty straightforward here.

Yeah this. They had anti-boo technology but didn't use it for the votes

I thought the whole point was to "unite people through music".

Define Europe

This! I don't believe in bans but that should apply to all not just the countries the West doesn't approve of.

You’ve quoted the wrong person

Not necessarily you but others who have decided that because she has received her conscription she is part of genocide and has apparently been crowing about joining the IDF.

If anyone actually reads the original Jewish News article she has said she has been called up and “is ready to serve but music will always be her no 1 priority”.

Hardly the bloody thirsty lunatic many are making her out to be

If I was Israel, I would have maybe withdrawn from the competition this year- voluntarily.
Bit tone deaf and insensitive.
Aside from what is happening in Gaza, so many Israeli families are still looking for closure or are waiting for their family members to be released. People are mourning and this all crazy. Just seems insensitive no?

Bibi sociopathy- know you have hostages that you pledged to bring back, know you are killing thousands of civilians and starving them- but be completely ok with putting a 20 yr old in the line of fire on a world stage to sing?

The optics are not good, and it doesn't serve well for their PR.

I think this is bc what is currently happening in Gaza is Israel retaliating not invading. Hamas invaded Israel to carry out their massacre so, while it is a horrific situation over there right now, it isn’t the same situation as Russia and Ukraine.

Hahahhahahaha - but Eurovision IS political OP 😂

And so was killing thousands of people in October and rping women then parading their bodies in the street. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Oct 7th was absolutely horrendous for those caught up in it of course, but your comments seem to imply that this whole thing started on that date, not in 1948 with the Naqba. Sorry to have to say that I think this is deliberately disingenuous on your part.

Israel is not in europe. That is definition enough for this discussion. Other non european countries have been allowed to enter, makes a mockery of eurovision. If other countries want a competition let them start one. The old eurovision with about 20 countries was far superior and the modern version is poor.

It makes absolute sense. Russia did an unprovoked invasion, Israel have retaliated against hamas starting (and continuing) a war. It seems a lot of people are forgetting it wasn't "just" 7th of October. They have continued attacking since, just not as successfully, and have stated they have no intention to stop.

The 2 wars are not remotely comparable.